the Past 8 years: Bush's presidency, a retrospective.

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the Past 8 years: Bush's presidency, a retrospective.

Post  OptimusGonzo on Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:38 pm

Ok, well I'm kind of busy right now, but I'd like to discuss the ups and downs, good and bad of the last 8 years of American politics. What have we done right? where have we gone wrong? what do you, an international community, think we can do differently to help our nation, the world, and our public image.

Lets start off with something good about Bush's presidency. President Bush managed to move the country's general poltical spectrum towards the center politically, and in doing so has managed to unite a political majority at almost all times during his presidency. Before the War in Iraq, the majority favored him, and in 2004 again for his reelection, we favored him. But as policies and methods of his administration began to be uncovered, and Iraq took a turn for the worst in 2005, our political center shifted, and the centered American populace shifted as well. While our nation remains divided on key moral issues, like Abortion and Gay Marriage, where Liberals and traditional conservatives are still at each other's throats, by the end of Bush's presidency, our nation will hopefully have seen the effects he has had on foreign policy, and as such, move the political center towards a more Traditional American value, Western centered poltical view. Thus through the negativitiy of Bush's presidency, we have been able to outline our fundamental flaws and can now proceed to fix them.
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Post  backtothegrave on Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:58 am

apart from bush, i see two great flaws in america's political system

1) small political culture. nowadays in italy it's not much better (at least we study political philosophies at school), but once everybody here was involved somehow in politics, and everybody knew all the principal political philosophies and expected the parties to follow one or the other philosophy. that's why in italy often old people is more political-committed than young people (you can see marches for peace with more old people than young, that's something strange...)

2) you don't have a broad range of parties. you can see huge differences between republicans and democratics, but for us they're both centre-right parties with slight differences.
remember that we have everything you could expect (beginning from the left):
anarchists (they do not have a party of course, and are few, but are quite important)
communists and socialists, several kinds of them, from soviet-nostalgics to socialdemocratics. one strange thing that happened recently (only in italy could have happened), the biggest of the parties that have been spawned from old PCI (italian communist party) have recently merged with a catholic party. (Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation)
catholics (here big differences too, from cristian socialist to cristian conservatives)
liberals (but now they're mostly berlusconi's own party, so no more liberal ideology)
conservatives (maybe they still exist, but have no true party)
extreme right: there are two big parties here, one that wants northern italy to secede from italy, another that's recently evolved from post-fascist movements. last of the list some small fascist parties.

ok, nowadays with all that corruption that has spread amongst politicians this complex system works really bad.
but i'm sure that such a system permits a more democratic political approach, and lets small movements and ideas to have voice and express themselves.
if we had no corruption we would have probably had the best political system of the world.
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Post  77RUS on Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:30 am

actually for the majority of russian there wasn't any difference between Bush and Clinton, or Respublicans and Democrats, because they both suppose Russia as an enemy. Wink But Bush is incredible dumb person with silly face and in this case he looked more funny then Clinton or other presidents...

haha,  don't get me wrong, i'm just trying to find good things in Bush presidency. And his silly funny face is one of them. At least it's very funny to see him and to hear his outstanding speech Smile
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Post  backtothegrave on Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:33 am

another demonstration that in the usa the president has no power at all...
if he was able to rule he would have gave free booze to everybody, reduced the IQ necessary for each kind of job, and made all chimpanzees american citizens.
cheers cheers cheers cheers
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:22 pm

I doubt that much, unless you're calling all Mexicans Chimpanzees, though he did favor lettin the illegals have citizenship, which I couldn't fathom why. they're ILLEGALs they're not supposed TO BE HERE. THEY DON'T FEEL ANY LOYALTY OR ALLEGIANCE TO OUR COUNTRY!
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Post  backtothegrave on Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:01 pm

do you think that your political elite feel some loyalty to your country?
i doubt it... maybe some of them, but not many. the same could be said for italy.
who rules usually feels loyal to money and power, but not to a flag or to an ideal. those things are for honest, simple people (like you and me i think...), but not for politicians.
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Post  backtothegrave on Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:08 pm

as for illegals, we're having the same problem here in italy. immigration is becoming really a big problem. also legal immigrants are causing troubles. i'm thinking about the diplomatic clash between italy and romania due to high criminality ratio amongst romanian immigrants.

that thing about chimpanzees was about a funny powerpoint slide that combined some bush's facial expressions to similar ones from chimpanzees. it was really funny, i'll post something in the bush page if i find it.
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Post  Unicornknight1 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:04 pm

"Cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare."

Any man can make a mistake; only a fool keeps making the same one.

Ut sementem feceris ita metes. ~ As you sow so will you reap. ... Cicero

lol!
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Post  Unicornknight1 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:22 pm

77RUS wrote:actually for the majority of russian there wasn't any difference between Bush and Clinton, or Respublicans and Democrats, because they both suppose Russia as an enemy. Wink But Bush is incredible dumb person with silly face and in this case he looked more funny then Clinton or other presidents...

haha, don't get me wrong, i'm just trying to find good things in Bush presidency. And his silly funny face is one of them. At least it's very funny to see him and to hear his outstanding speech Smile

There's a constant bragging of how we won the "Cold War" as well and
frankly I haven't figured out quite what it was we actually won.

The only ones who won the "Cold War" was the "war industry" and in a
atmosphere of perpetual warfare, business is a booming.scratch
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