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Post  su37rulez on Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:06 pm

Some piece of sh|t that is..
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Re: The truth about F-22, The Craptor

Post  OptimusGonzo on Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:12 pm

thats it? I thought you would have a stack of articles, or a summary of articles showing how its stealth was flawed or how Russian jets have already supassed a 20 year old jet which has become the US's first line in Air to Air defense. This thread is not off to a good start.
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Re: The truth about F-22, The Craptor

Post  frankyspeaker on Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:27 pm

su37rulez wrote:Some piece of sh|t that is..



I don't have anything with the F-22. I love Sukhoi's.
I find it ugly to be honest. Not as ugly as the JSF tho.
And even with it's design problems it's already a great aircraft.
The systems used are ground breaking.
The problems people talk and post about are being solved.
These problems are not strange for a ground breaking aircraft
like the F-22.
I think that the people that designed the F-22 went over
their heads when designing the F-22.
That's the reason why they encountered problems with it's
structure and systems. I think the F-22 is over-engineered.
When all problems are solved it will be one hell of a machine.
It will be even better than the USAF thought it would be
when all these problems are tackled. The F-22 could very well
be a 5+ generation aircraft when all these problems are solved.
All ingrediŽnts are there to achieve this.
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Re: The truth about F-22, The Craptor

Post  OptimusGonzo on Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:59 pm

I think that the people that designed the F-22 went over
their heads when designing the F-22.
That's the reason why they encountered problems with it's
structure and systems. I think the F-22 is over-engineered.
When all problems are solved it will be one hell of a machine.



Yes, but how long must we take to fix these problems? if Russia is done designing their F22 equivalent the T50, and are done with it and testing, and it has no or very few bugs, then we're on the exact same page. Thats not at all what the USAF was trying to do with the raptor. They wanted to stay a generation ahead. and since they've ordered so few of them, we're still gonna have to use the F15 in combat, and the Russians already have many planes produced that can take the F15 on. Lets face it. The USAF is falling behind. we need a new Air superiority fighter. Or even better! a space superiority fighter! with ION DRIVES W00T!
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Post  SDBolts on Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:12 pm

The F-22 will finally live up to its theoretical abilities by 2020 or later. Final. By then, Russian Federation will be so far ahead that the F-22 would just prove to be since its start just trillions of wasted dollars...

The F-22 is like Communism, in theory, it is the coolest thing ever, in practice and reality, you just took one huge leap backwards. Good job Lockheed Martin, you really fucked us up.
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Post  frankyspeaker on Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:24 pm

OptimusGonzo wrote:I think that the people that designed the F-22 went over
their heads when designing the F-22.
That's the reason why they encountered problems with it's
structure and systems. I think the F-22 is over-engineered.
When all problems are solved it will be one hell of a machine.



Yes, but how long must we take to fix these problems? if Russia is done designing their F22 equivalent the T50, and are done with it and testing, and it has no or very few bugs, then we're on the exact same page. Thats not at all what the USAF was trying to do with the raptor. They wanted to stay a generation ahead. and since they've ordered so few of them, we're still gonna have to use the F15 in combat, and the Russians already have many planes produced that can take the F15 on. Lets face it. The USAF is falling behind. we need a new Air superiority fighter. Or even better! a space superiority fighter! with ION DRIVES W00T!


I hope that the U.S does fall behind. Very Happy
But for Russia to build many T-50's is not easy.
It's not even sure what the T-50 will bring.
We will have to wait and see.
And do not underestimate the potential capabilities of the F-22.
The systems are really ground breaking.
All it needs is a good cook.
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Re: The truth about F-22, The Craptor

Post  frankyspeaker on Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:29 pm

SDBolts wrote:The F-22 will finally live up to its theoretical abilities by 2020 or later. Final. By then, Russian Federation will be so far ahead that the F-22 would just prove to be since its start just trillions of wasted dollars...

The F-22 is like Communism, in theory, it is the coolest thing ever, in practice and reality, you just took one huge leap backwards. Good job Lockheed Martin, you really fucked us up.


T-50's in service is still many years away.
If it enters service it will be in 2012 or later.
By that time the problems with the F-22 will be solved.
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Re: The truth about F-22, The Craptor

Post  OptimusGonzo on Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:49 pm

frankyspeaker wrote:
SDBolts wrote:The F-22 will finally live up to its theoretical abilities by 2020 or later. Final. By then, Russian Federation will be so far ahead that the F-22 would just prove to be since its start just trillions of wasted dollars...

The F-22 is like Communism, in theory, it is the coolest thing ever, in practice and reality, you just took one huge leap backwards. Good job Lockheed Martin, you really fucked us up.


T-50's in service is still many years away.
If it enters service it will be in 2012 or later.
By that time the problems with the F-22 will be solved.

So are you trying to convince me that at armageddon when Christ heads up the army of Good he's going to have F15s flying with his angels establishing air superiority? Speaking of which, there would be no cooler place or time on earth to be an A10 pilot. At Armageddon. it would just be so awesome. GAU-8 blasting down on the army of the devil, crushing evil where it stands. goodtimes
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Post  SDBolts on Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:29 pm

Hehe, most people would consider the USAF and other AMerican armed forces to be teh army of the devil xD
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Post  su37rulez on Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:03 pm

OptimusGonzo wrote:thats it? I thought you would have a stack of articles, or a summary of articles showing how its stealth was flawed or how Russian jets have already supassed a 20 year old jet which has become the US's first line in Air to Air defense. This thread is not off to a good start.

http://www.airwar.ru/other/vvs.html

http://www.airforce.ru/

http://www.raf.games.ru/english.htm

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig29/

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?p=196391

http://www.lenta.ru/news/2007/07/25/stealth/

http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/71/207899-2.html

You gotta translate them yourself. Laughing
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:13 pm

I don't understand this but its still AWESOME!


RUSSIAN THE WORLD IS NECESSARY! IT IS DESIRABLE ALL!


JOIN in =RAF=
GO MAMA-RUSSIA!
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Post  su37rulez on Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:52 pm

OptimusGonzo wrote:I don't understand this but its still AWESOME!


RUSSIAN THE WORLD IS NECESSARY! IT IS DESIRABLE ALL!


JOIN in =RAF=
GO MAMA-RUSSIA!
Use translators, ask sdbolts bout them?
Maybe like google..
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:01 pm

no I understand at least that its in English, but how can I translate broken English back to Russian, then to English and expect it to not be broken again or even more broken? but still I think it means, MOTHER RUSSIA, not mamma Russia, and something like, Russia is necessary for the world, then either it is desirable for all or all desire it.
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Post  ComradeLynx on Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:35 am

Yeah, its so ground breaking that beton crumbles under Craptor's weight Smile

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Post  ComradeLynx on Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:08 pm

Was my post a "thread killer"? Sad

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Post  su37rulez on Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:39 pm

ComradeLynx wrote:Was my post a "thread killer"? Sad
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:51 pm

what do you mean, beton crumbes? I'm not quite following you in the context of the rest of your sentence.
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Post  SDBolts on Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:14 am

The USAF's last successful fighter plane is F-15C. Game over.
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:28 am

haven't we gone over this before? c
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Post  su37rulez on Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:28 pm

SDBolts wrote:The USAF's last successful fighter plane is F-15C. Game over.
What about it?
TVC engines?
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Post  SDBolts on Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:07 pm

I don't believe it has TVC Sad But Craptor does xD
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:13 pm

one model of F15 does. and whichever that is, its the best.
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Post  frankyspeaker on Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:12 am

OptimusGonzo wrote:one model of F15 does. and whichever that is, its the best.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15S/MTD

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Photo/F-15ACTIVE/index.html
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Post  SDBolts on Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:52 pm

F-15ACTIVE is just a test plane though lol, nvr was anything for real. I was talking about F-15C, but thanks for pointing that out franky Smile
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Post  ComradeLynx on Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:18 am

SDBolts wrote:
The F-22 is like Communism, in theory, it is the coolest thing ever, in practice and reality, you just took one huge leap backwards. Good job Lockheed Martin, you really fucked us up.
What a quote..!

Can i put this to my chanel on YouTube plz plz plz? xD

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