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Post  OptimusGonzo on Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:23 pm

As everyone knows, at this very moment in time Kurdistan, the most stable part of Iraq and almost fully autonomous is currently under attack from Turkey in the north. Same ol Turks eh? Anyway, We have a theoretical crisis on our hands. Assuming that its only Turkey who will be the agressor against Kurdistan, then the US need not worry because the Kurds (according to our friend The next commander of PKK) are more than prepared to fight to the death for their undeclared nation.


But what if, theoretically mind you, Iran, either from urging from another nation (turkey or moscow) or on its own decides to invade Iraqi Kurdistan? The Kurds will almost certainly capitulate under the forces of two nations so close to them. And if the US is forced to intervene, then we will certainly have a crisis on our hands, lacking sufficient Armor in Iraq, Sufficient air power to establish air superiority and sufficent forces to fight without removing our supplementation to the ISF and leaving it open to attacks from Iranian or Turkish insurgents. The only way we (Kurdistan and US) could beat both Turkey and Iran in Iraq would theoretically be to seek the aid of Israel or our shady friends the Saudis. and that would only escalate the war.

Granted I am talking about a war with the US on a strongly anti US forum. So instead of sayin Yes/No to whether the US will win/lose, what do you think would be a good theoretical course of action? what should the US be doing now to prepare with even intermitten skirmishes with the Turks?
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Post  77RUS on Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:29 am

I heard from russian TV news reports that USA answered to Turkey, then turks wanted to invade to North Iraq, something like that "We strongly don't recommend turks to enter Iraq"

Was it truth? Did USA answered that way? Who knows
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Post  backtothegrave on Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:33 am

surely usa are strongly against any turk move in north iraq, as eu (and i presume russia) is.
first of all, i don't think iran will intervene in a similar conflict. simply i don't see any advantage for them to risk a war there.
let's have a look at the present state of alliances:
turkey is an official ally of usa, and an undeclared allied of israel (turkish-israelian relationships have always been good, in fact they've always shared the same enemies).
turkey is an undeclared enemy of russia. nowadays turkey is trying to turn to his control sphere former soviet countries as kazakhstan, turkmenistan.... after all they all share turkish origins and culture. of course russia doesn't like these moves.
so iran and russia won't help turkey in a war against iraq, no matter the outcome. maybe in case of war iran would cause insurgencies in southern iraq, where shiites are the majority of population. but that's another story...
for other reasons israel won't help usa against turkey: they won't help an ally to smash another ally, that won't make sense for them.

turkey has different options:
1) do nothing, but keep pressure high on pkk and kurdistan, maybe attacking "terrorist bases" (?) every now and then
2) surrender to foreign pressure, and grant authonomy to kurds, they'll never do such a thing unless the whole world falls upon turkey, so...
3) cross the border and invade southern kurdistan. first if they choose this path, they'll have to move next spring, because on winter crossing mountains is not simple (anyway here we need the opinion of the next commander of pkk). then, if they choose for open war, they'll face the disappointment of both usa and eu (and possibly of russia). of course there won't ne any attack on turkey (it's a nato member after all!!!!!), but certainly economic embagoes and sending of un forces (and of course turkey will never enter eu this way!!!)
in case of war, usa won't probably enter the war (a war between two nato members = the end of nato!!!!!!), but will give weapons and resources to iraqi and kurd forces.

up to now, i think option 1) to be the most likely.
for option 3) we'll have to wait next spring. if during the winter turkey receives few menaces from usa and eu, then an invasion of kurdistan will be really probable, but no sooner than next march-april.
as you see, it's the behaviour of major power that makes a war more or less probable.
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Re: Theoretical War: Kudistan

Post  the next commander of pkk on Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:01 am

backtothegrave wrote:surely usa are strongly against any turk move in north iraq, as eu (and i presume russia) is.
first of all, i don't think iran will intervene in a similar conflict. simply i don't see any advantage for them to risk a war there.
let's have a look at the present state of alliances:
turkey is an official ally of usa, and an undeclared allied of israel (turkish-israelian relationships have always been good, in fact they've always shared the same enemies).
turkey is an undeclared enemy of russia. nowadays turkey is trying to turn to his control sphere former soviet countries as kazakhstan, turkmenistan.... after all they all share turkish origins and culture. of course russia doesn't like these moves.
so iran and russia won't help turkey in a war against iraq, no matter the outcome. maybe in case of war iran would cause insurgencies in southern iraq, where shiites are the majority of population. but that's another story...
for other reasons israel won't help usa against turkey: they won't help an ally to smash another ally, that won't make sense for them.

turkey has different options:
1) do nothing, but keep pressure high on pkk and kurdistan, maybe attacking "terrorist bases" (?) every now and then
2) surrender to foreign pressure, and grant authonomy to kurds, they'll never do such a thing unless the whole world falls upon turkey, so...
3) cross the border and invade southern kurdistan. first if they choose this path, they'll have to move next spring, because on winter crossing mountains is not simple (anyway here we need the opinion of the next commander of pkk). then, if they choose for open war, they'll face the disappointment of both usa and eu (and possibly of russia). of course there won't ne any attack on turkey (it's a nato member after all!!!!!), but certainly economic embagoes and sending of un forces (and of course turkey will never enter eu this way!!!)
in case of war, usa won't probably enter the war (a war between two nato members = the end of nato!!!!!!), but will give weapons and resources to iraqi and kurd forces.

up to now, i think option 1) to be the most likely.
for option 3) we'll have to wait next spring. if during the winter turkey receives few menaces from usa and eu, then an invasion of kurdistan will be really probable, but no sooner than next march-april.
as you see, it's the behaviour of major power that makes a war more or less probable.

my dear brother this is not attack on iraq, it is plan between iraq and turkey to destroy both pkk and kurdish goverment Crying or Very sad beside you wont wait untill next spring they will attack tommoro or in this week, usa will support iraq and turkey to destroy pkk and kurdish goverment Sad but i swear if they did that americans will never sleep at peace in nights Evil or Very Mad i will turn it to hell Twisted Evil usa if you dont like hell stay out of this fight, iraqi army is just untrained soileders who cant shoot well Smile only 5000 peshmergas is enough for them and i almost forgot we will send 100000 missles to baghdad Twisted Evil and about turkish army Wink 10000 gerillas and 195000 peshmergas will be more than enough to fuck them cheers the only problem is thier aircrafts Rolling Eyes i wish we have some patriot missles to track them down but we havnt any Crying or Very sad but we have some anti-crafts but they arent that good No
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Re: Theoretical War: Kudistan

Post  the next commander of pkk on Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:12 am

OptimusGonzo wrote:As everyone knows, at this very moment in time Kurdistan, the most stable part of Iraq and almost fully autonomous is currently under attack from Turkey in the north. Same ol Turks eh? Anyway, We have a theoretical crisis on our hands. Assuming that its only Turkey who will be the agressor against Kurdistan, then the US need not worry because the Kurds (according to our friend The next commander of PKK) are more than prepared to fight to the death for their undeclared nation.


But what if, theoretically mind you, Iran, either from urging from another nation (turkey or moscow) or on its own decides to invade Iraqi Kurdistan? The Kurds will almost certainly capitulate under the forces of two nations so close to them. And if the US is forced to intervene, then we will certainly have a crisis on our hands, lacking sufficient Armor in Iraq, Sufficient air power to establish air superiority and sufficent forces to fight without removing our supplementation to the ISF and leaving it open to attacks from Iranian or Turkish insurgents. The only way we (Kurdistan and US) could beat both Turkey and Iran in Iraq would theoretically be to seek the aid of Israel or our shady friends the Saudis. and that would only escalate the war.

Granted I am talking about a war with the US on a strongly anti US forum. So instead of sayin Yes/No to whether the US will win/lose, what do you think would be a good theoretical course of action? what should the US be doing now to prepare with even intermitten skirmishes with the Turks?

i understand you my freind, but waht make your goverment fight for us againts his own ally? nothing Sad usa wont take a risk and fight such a strong armies of both iran and turkie,that will be suicide,my only offer to usa is dont support iraqi army and turkish army againts us, we ask for no more, this is not your fight we dont want innocent american die becouse of our war, let god be with us, if you want to support us just give us powerful weapons or just anti-aircraft missles, fucken aircrafts it is only our problem, thank you for kindness but i saied before we dont want innocent ppl or soliders die becouse of our land, just give us weapons and will complete mission cheers
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Post  backtothegrave on Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:32 am

the next commander of pkk wrote:
my dear brother this is not attack on iraq, it is plan between iraq and turkey to destroy both pkk and kurdish goverment Crying or Very sad beside you wont wait untill next spring they will attack tommoro or in this week, usa will support iraq and turkey to destroy pkk and kurdish goverment Sad but i swear if they did that americans will never sleep at peace in nights Evil or Very Mad i will turn it to hell Twisted Evil usa if you dont like hell stay out of this fight, iraqi army is just untrained soileders who cant shoot well Smile only 5000 peshmergas is enough for them and i almost forgot we will send 100000 missles to baghdad Twisted Evil and about turkish army Wink 10000 gerillas and 195000 peshmergas will be more than enough to fuck them cheers the only problem is thier aircrafts Rolling Eyes i wish we have some patriot missles to track them down but we havnt any Crying or Very sad but we have some anti-crafts but they arent that good No

didn't know that. from italian medias i heard that the iraqi government meant to oppose, at least formally, against a turk attack. but if you say that iraq gov will help turks, things change completely... i fear you kurds will be left alone on the field, and noone will give you the weapons you need. of course many countries will proclaim sympathy, but with good words no war has ever been won....Sad
at last, maybe russia will help sending some weapons, after all she has interest in reducing influence of both turkey and usa, and a strong authonomous kurdistan of course would be a menace to both turkey and usa-controlled iraq. maybe even iran too would play some trick against iraq government, but that's talking about a future unclear.
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:09 pm

maybe the kurds will fight alone, maybe not. See what I was discussing a hypothetical war if Iran decided to invade Iraq with the support of Turkey using the Kurds as an excuse for agression. then no matter what, US interests would be tied to the interests of the Iraqis and Kurds. We would fight and die with them.

But under current circumstances, the US's MAIN objective is to placate. we want to make Turkey happy, we want to make Iraq happy, and while we want whats best for the Kurds, making you guys happy from what I've seen in the news of how our foriegn policy is currently dictating that it directly interferes with numbers 1 and 2. I wish we could help the Kurds make their own nation. but while you are only defenders of your lands from Turkish soldiers, Turkey seems to see that as an act of war. It is.
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Post  backtothegrave on Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:04 am

any news?
i read that iraq and turkey reached an agreement to fight pkk together...
is that true?
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:36 am

from what I've read yes it is. I'll get some links up hopefully today. I read that The Iraqi PM, whose Kurdish, vowed to help Turkey against the PKK, and also how the US is proving U2 spy plane info to Turkey to commit tactical strikes against certain targets, I'm guessing strategic assets along the border.
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Re: Theoretical War: Kudistan

Post  backtothegrave on Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:13 am

that's so sad.... Sad
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:18 am

looks like Kurdistan is being shat on by the west again. again. Dammit all to hell. Can't we do the right thing just once?
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Post  backtothegrave on Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:34 am

old habits are hard to die....
western countries didn't save armenians fromturks in 1915, didn't help democracy in spain in 1936, didn't help czechoslovakia in 1938, fought hitler just because they were forced to, didn't do anything to help socialists defend themselves from the red army in 1956. noone sent troops to defend allende government in chile (well, in fact helped to overthrow it).i can go on for pages and pages.
they will not help kurds now, too.
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Post  su37rulez on Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:25 pm

OptimusGonzo wrote:looks like Kurdistan is being shat on by the west again. again. Dammit all to hell. Can't we do the right thing just once?
Hey!
You're doing the right thing, thinking like that clown
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Re: Theoretical War: Kudistan

Post  backtothegrave on Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:44 pm

yeah, but thought is worthless without actions following.
someone should DO somethings, maybe those people that are ELECTED to ACT.
i'm tired of this useless liberal democracy, it's getting each day more similar to a dictature. a democracy that has lost faith on its values is still a democracy?
a democracy that doesn't fight for democracy is still a democracy? Neutral
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