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Post  backtothegrave on Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:59 am

hi everybody!
in some posts happened to talk about ww2, and i've seen some of us have stories from grandparents, from friends or simply intersting stories about ww2 that we have listened to.
why don't record them here? we're from a lot of different countries, each one of our countries somehow took part to the last world war. it would be really interesting to collect all these different points of view on the most important thing of XX century.
come on! Surprised
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Post  backtothegrave on Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:03 am

I'll start quoting a former post of mine (it was on the topic about special forces).

"when i was a child my grandma told me some stories about gurkhas. in
1944 the allies occupied my town and of course there where soldiers
from everywhere.
my grandma was a child and made friends with some
new-zealanders and indiands (i still have the presents they gave her),
and once met some gurkhas. one of them had a necklace, which seemed
made of dryed figs. she got closer and found out that those were human
ears!! some of them used to collect the ears from killed enemies....
anyway the were very kind and respectful with civilians and prisoners.

another story she heard: some gurkhas used to hid themselves and then ambush lonely enemies and cut their throat with kukri.
an allied soldier had found a couple of german boots, and he dressed them
because his own were broken. a gurkha in ambush saw a man wearing
german shoes (he was hid so he couldn't see anything else) and he cut
his throat, but then found out he had killed a fellow."
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:42 pm

I was told by my grandma since my grandfather died so young (at 48,) that on one occassion she overheard him talking to some of his war buddies about a german sub they had just destroyed. They began to recover some of the crew. Well the captain of the German sub, the instant he got on my Grandpa's DDE Destroyer Escort pulled out a luger to shoot his resucers! well my grandpa, not wanting to kill the man, but also watching the prisoners to make sure they didn't pull any fast ones as they were pulled up over the side of the ship, was manning a machine gun. He saw the Luger and immediately fired a burst above the Nazi's head. Well the man was so stunned that he fell back into the water and dropped his luger, and our sailors recovered him.
Another crazy story I was told was how his DDE was hit by a mid atlantic hurricane and blown up towards Iceland by the time they had gotten through it. They were supposed to go back to America, and the Hurricane had blown them horribly off course. hard pressed for time, his naval group headed back to America without stopping at a port in Iceland or the UK. The sailors were going crazy by the time they had gotten back to port, but the captain, not being able to turn the crew lose, had to order that the men take leave in shifts. One of My Grandpa's friends had not been randomly chosen to leave in the first group, and he immediately said he couldn't take it anymore and jumped off and ran down the gangplank. The captain shouted for the men to stop stand there and shoot him, since he was a deserter after all. My Grandpa, God bless his soul, pulled out his sidearm and steadied his aim, and shot his friend in the foot, thankfully.

Now my uncle (1stborn son of the grandpa I had who was too young for WWII) however, he was a Special forces Warrant officer during the Gulf war who coul read write and speak Arabic, not to mention being hispanic, he looked fairly arabian. But that's a whole batch of other stories, and I'm sure it would pain Russian eyes to read about US victories.


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Post  backtothegrave on Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:31 am

OptimusGonzo wrote:
Now my uncle (1stborn son of the grandpa I had who was too young for WWII) however, he was a Special forces Warrant officer during the Gulf war who coul read write and speak Arabic, not to mention being hispanic, he looked fairly arabian. But that's a whole batch of other stories, and I'm sure it would pain Russian eyes to read about US victories.

after all we can make a topic on that... Smile

great stories optimus! i love to listen to war stories, it reminds me of my childhood with my grandparents.
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Post  backtothegrave on Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:55 am

a story about my father's father.
he was almost 30 when ww2 broke out, so he was enlisted later when need of men was more pressing.
he took part at the second italian attack against greece (the first was launched from albania -then part of italian kingdom- in winter 1940 but was a disaster, greek counteattacked and occupied part of albania). in spring 1941 germany attacked jugoslavia, and then greece. italy took the chance for revenge.
my grandfather was an infantryman, and took part to assaults against greek strong points. italians often had to attack an enemy which was better equipped both in machineguns and mortars, so assaults were really bloody.
a friend of my grandpa was sighted by a greek machinegun and cut in two by a burst. my grandpa was next to him, imagine his horror as he saw his friend's body fall in a direction and his legs in another.
after the campaign the survivors had some good time on a seaside town, but many of them got ill and had to be sent to an hospital (that saved them from the russian campaign, after all...)
when my grandpa came back home it was 1943, and he had just the time to get marryed when 8th september 1943 came: italy surrendered to the allies, and germans started to take prisoners all the italian soldiers they could. my grandpa was taken and sent to poland to work for germany.
in 1944 he was sent to the eastern front to dig trenches, he got ill again and germans wanted to kill him (he was useless to them) but his friends hid him in a huge cooking pot until he got better.
when the germans started to surrender he was in germany. he was free but had to wait the end of the war. one of his comerades (who came from the same town) felt in love with a german girl, and wanted to marry her. but they got killed in the last bombing of the war, when their recover was directly hit by a bomb. my grandpa luckily saved himself because he had chosen a different anti-air recover.
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:40 pm

Dang. Thats crazy, how some live and others die. Well thats war I guess. I don't know many stories from my uncle who fought in the pacific, but I do know about his service record, and maybe I can scan a picture. He flew Corsairs during WWII and in Korea, and even did a flyby over the Atomic bomb site (I think it was at Hiroshima) and he said it looked like a huge black spot from the sky. I have an awesome picture of him and his squadron mates in front of a huge Corsair propeller, those planes were pretty awesome looking Wink


Have you heard about the Band of Brothers series backtothegrave? with Damian Lewis and Michael Livingston and several other actors. there are so many stories to tell from it. Other great stories come from heroes such as Audie Murphy (the most decorated US soldier), Hans Ulrech Rudel (stuka pilot with the most flight hours), Vasiliy Zaitzev, and even the stories of national figures like Patton, Stuffy Dowding, Georgy Zhukov, Karl Donnitz, and many others who are equally important if not as famous.

One of the my favorite stories I can recall from memory of WWII from Steel Panthers World at War (which I made a post about, encouraging you guys to check it out) was of the 4th Ranger Batallion (I think it was the 4th) who landed at Anzio. The rangers were going to try and secure area in front of the frontlines to hopefully provide for the allies a chance to break out. You can actually play the battle if you wish. The rangers were to have secured the town of Cisterna, but on the way they immediately came under fire. There was an entire German armored division in front of them, and more forces heading to the beaches to crush the 5th army under Mark Clark. They had no armor or artillery or heavy support because they went in covertly, and The Rangers fought for their lives like men possessed, but the unit was ultimately destroyed at Cisterna. Its crazy how stuff like that happens in war. There was another similar story about at stand by colonial French Foreign legion soldiers at Chateau de Quesnoy in France during the blitzkreig there, and the French were so successful at defending it that eventually the Germans just went around.
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Post  backtothegrave on Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:31 pm

i know band of brothers, even if i saw only a few scenes.
and i know also steel panthers (if you mean the pc wargame).
yes that war was full of episodes of true epic, maybe never we'll see again such a great destruction (well i hope we'll never..) or such heroism (i fear mankind never have again such a generation of extraordinay people).

i'm thinking also of the italian partisans that fought german forces in italy. they engaged a lot of german and italian fascist troops, but after all they didn't help much in winning the war because the allied were alrady winning it.
the sens for their sacrifice (in fact more than 100.000 died in the partisan war in northern italy) wasn't in helping the allies (even if often they helped them a lot), but in achieving freedom for italian freedom. of course italy would have had a democracy after the war, it was in the allies plans. but freedom given by someone else is not true freedom.
partisans knew that, and made great sacrifices because they wanted to win freedom for italy on the battlefield.
at the end they managed to, but payed dearly for it. (the 100.000 dead i said above, which is a fourth of total italian casualties in the war)
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:47 pm

backtothegrave wrote:of course italy would have had a democracy after the war, it was in the allies plans. but freedom given by someone else is not true freedom. partisans knew that, and made great sacrifices because they wanted to win freedom for italy on the battlefield.

Thats the truth. Freedom granted to you when you place no value in it, or in fighting for it is worthless. If the french would have been content under Nazi rule, the Allies would never have come for them. I think that many Americans forget that we are not the only freedom loving people in the world, even if historically we were the first to fight to defend our in modern times. I just wish we'd practice freedom in our foreign policy, instead of so much oppression at the expense of so many for the benefit of so few
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Post  backtothegrave on Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:16 pm

sometimes i wonder why some countries seem to prefer oppression to democrcy. but the other day i thought that maybe it's better a plain dictature, where you know you have no freedom, and everybody is slave the same way, than a fake democracy where the rulers turn freedom into a device of oppressio. i mean, in some countries with freedom of speech, you cannot have true freedom of speech until you have enough money to buy yourself a tv or a newspaper.is there difference from a dictature? slight difference! is that real freedom? no!!
freedom exist only where everybody is free, otherwise someone uses that freedom to rule the others.

a really particular view of freedom is presented in a book about italian partisans. this book ("il partigiano johnny" by Fenoglio) gives you the idea that the most complete form of freedom is in fighting for freedom itself. in the fight you have no rule except your conscience, you are the one that makes the difference between good and bad.
destroying an unjust order to create another one more just, somehow cristallizes the newly achieved freedom into an "order", diminishes it.
it's a strange idea, i found it only after i've read the book twice and seen the movie taken from the book twice, but after all i agreed with it.
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:34 pm

backtothegrave wrote:sometimes i wonder why some countries seem to prefer oppression to democrcy. but the other day i thought that maybe it's better a plain dictature, where you know you have no freedom, and everybody is slave the same way, than a fake democracy where the rulers turn freedom into a device of oppressio. i mean, in some countries with freedom of speech, you cannot have true freedom of speech until you have enough money to buy yourself a tv or a newspaper.is there difference from a dictature? slight difference! is that real freedom? no!!
freedom exist only where everybody is free, otherwise someone uses that freedom to rule the others.

a really particular view of freedom is presented in a book about italian partisans. this book ("il partigiano johnny" by Fenoglio) gives you the idea that the most complete form of freedom is in fighting for freedom itself. in the fight you have no rule except your conscience, you are the one that makes the difference between good and bad.
destroying an unjust order to create another one more just, somehow cristallizes the newly achieved freedom into an "order", diminishes it.
it's a strange idea, i found it only after i've read the book twice and seen the movie taken from the book twice, but after all i agreed with it.

just like CCCP Russia. WE HAVE DEMOCRACY! EVERYONE IS IN THE SAME PARTY UNDER THE SAME TICKET AND WANTING THE EXACT SAME THING! and Freedom doesn't mean anarchy either, we are only so free as we are limited by the human condition. Even a man free of outsiders on a rural plain is bound to work his lands. I would agree with what you've said about fighting for freedom. In the words of Abe Lincoln, taken from wikiquote



  • You enquire where I now stand. That is a disputed point. I
    think I am a whig; but others say there are no whigs, and that I am an
    abolitionist. When I was at Washington I voted for the Wilmot Proviso
    as good as forty times, and I never heard of any one attempting to
    unwhig me for that. I now do more than oppose the extension of slavery.

    I am not a Know-Nothing.
    That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the
    oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white
    people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics."
    When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where
    they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance,
    where despotism can be take pure, and without the base alloy of
    hypocracy
    [sic].

    • Letter to longtime friend and slave-holder Joshua F. Speed (24 August 1855)

    </li>


It is that base alloy of hypocracy which blinds so many of us today. What to believe? the media will tell us whatever it wants, and the majority of unassuming Americans will believe whatever they say, as will anyone else whose media wants to use them. All I can say however, is that if it continues at this rate. THERE WILL BE A WAR. A WAR OF UNPRECEDENTED SCALE AND DESTRUCTION, where people will fight for what they think they are believing in, but all will be decieved unless it is shown directly to them, the difference between good, and the difference between evil.
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Post  backtothegrave on Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:48 pm

i don't think many people will ever fight for something...
MEN will fight for ideals always, but people will just watch and be passive.
people need to achieve self-consciousness to become MEN, but that's hard to obtain.
for the war, yes we'll have one. we'll see the 3rd world rebel to the wealthy countries for food and resources someday... present situation can't simply go on.
of course, the end of times is close at hand... Wink
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:00 pm

backtothegrave wrote:i don't think many people will ever fight for something...
MEN will fight for ideals always, but people will just watch and be passive.
people need to achieve self-consciousness to become MEN, but that's hard to obtain.
for the war, yes we'll have one. we'll see the 3rd world rebel to the wealthy countries for food and resources someday... present situation can't simply go on.
of course, the end of times is close at hand... Wink

the end times may be closer than we all think, in more ways than we think, and whose to say what will be the first dam to burst under the pressure of hatred and violence and despair present in the world today? Its like Archduke Franz Ferdinand. The Serbs didn't start the war, Europe always wanted it in the first place anyway. They brought the destruction upon themselves, and in many ways out of hatred and spite did the exact same thing to start WWII
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:08 pm

Personally I don't think it is too hard to be self conscious. As long as you learn to empathize and show care, even if the care is for somethin that will never effect you. Do it because you'd want the same done to you.

you know what the odd thing is? after reading a book from Time magazine full of WWII era media, the greatest generation, was not very different from our generation at all, other than the lack of moral fiber today. The greatest generation at many points during the war felt that all hope was lost, which was why they redoubled their efforts to ensure victory. but even as early as the Atlantic Conference, The war was won. Japan never had it in them for victory, proving themselves to be oppressors and were bound to lose, and the Nazis, although more than capable of winning, lost in a single series of air failures surrounding Adlerangriff in the battle of Britain. Before our darkest hour, we were always capable of victory. It was only through pure fear and terror that we thought we would lose. And it is a similar mentality that almost caused France to lose the 100 years war.

Sadly, there are too many parallels with France of the past, and the United States today. We are way to arrogant and assured of our dominace in the world, when only the exact opposite is true. We are too influenced by the media and the mob mentality. We are too sheltered from the world around us, and we are not self conscious. If it is hard for a man to be self conscious, then it is nearly impossible for a nation, and even harder upon realizing self consciousness on a national level, to know how to act.
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Post  backtothegrave on Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:30 am

once i was a militant in a party, but i found out that even in that party noone had a real conscience of the present situation.
if we want to save democracy we have to awake the people to their rights and needs. but noone is doing so, elites are simply defending their privileges not caring of the people. that's really sad, and reminds me of the danger of democraces turning into dictatures.
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:30 pm

backtothegrave wrote:once i was a militant in a party, but i found out that even in that party noone had a real conscience of the present situation.
if we want to save democracy we have to awake the people to their rights and needs. but noone is doing so, elites are simply defending their privileges not caring of the people. that's really sad, and reminds me of the danger of democraces turning into dictatures.

oh and I think the word you might be looking for that fits your sentence better is dictatorship, not dictatures, just more common usage, especially if you're going to stay consistently with English. But thats irrelevant

Anyway, You're once again, exactly right in describing the situation in America. Why back in the 1820-1850s, Americans cared deeply about our Democracy, so much so that every man who was capable of voting (most men who paid taxes in most states) took it upon himself to support a leader that best fit his values and what he thought was best for America, as well as a president who was a strong leader. Now its just Americans thinking that all politicians are the same and becoming indifferent, which is leading to a major failure of the balance of the system. If people show that they want freedom, but aren't willing to participate in it by voting, they become disinfranchised. I mean, its really sad when more Americans vote for who they think is America's greatest singer than who they think will best govern them for the next four years of their life and determine what political policies that effect them. They're the same idiots that think America rules the world, and that if they have a problem on a personal level, then it must the federal government which caused it. Idiots. They give Democracy and representative government in America a bad name.

Why after all, America chose republican government over aristocratic government because the people proved that they could participate and deserve the positive changes in their life that they were willing to participate to get. But if we only follow what we're told, maybe we don't deserve it. And so far, we are slowly losing it, hopefully if the system corrects itself, we will gain it again once more people see how much politics on even the highest level or lowest level influences so much of their lives.


Ah. ok. Now I need a war story. hmm. Remember that scene in Band of Brothers where the Americans run after Capt. Winters as they follow him over that hill and kill all those Germans. What a slaughter. Even the one kid didn't know he was going to die until the last second. What strange things even happen in war. Stranger still, are the soldiers that die because they believe that they won't pull through it, so they do.
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Post  backtothegrave on Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:10 pm

"Now its just Americans thinking that all politicians are the same and
becoming indifferent, which is leading to a major failure of the
balance of the system."
the same in italy. you know what that means? that as soon as a leader proves people he's something new, someone that can change things, people will vote him "en masse". then he'll show people that he truly can change things (which is good) but will show also that he needs the rules to be changed as to make him possible to change things even further (and that's bad).
Outcome: death of democracy...
it happened in italy in 1922 (but anyway mussolini had more support from the king and the army than from the common people), and in germany in 1933 (hitler had a huge popular consensum...).
ignorant people are a menace to democracy, they can help the birth of a dictatorship (thanks... Wink ); democracy to stay healthy needs cultured people.

war story: in 1941 after the campaign in the balcans (invasion of greeece and jugoslavia) many italian units were sent back to italy to rest and reorganize. they were shipped in albania and crossed the adriatic sea. or at least tried, because british had received news of the thing and sent there as many submarines as possible. some ships were torpedoed, the soldiers on board were not equipped with life suits, and many were alpini (mountain troops) who didn't know how to swim. rescue units came late (italian communications were often awful), and maybe thousands of young soldiers drowned. an entire unit that have been recruited in my town disappeared, that disaster is remembered still now.
(sorry for the poor grammar, it's late night and i'm a bit tired... Sleep )
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:34 pm

ah not a problem at all about grammar. I found an interesting article on Michael Yon's blog (I tell ya, this guy's got everything, read what he writes if you haven't already done so, he's also working on a translation project into other languages). The article proves my sad fears that the US citizens no longer really feel the need to defend themselves, shown in the fact enlistment rates are dropping greatly. Many of those who do enlist do so to honor a family legacy too, so when you think about it, people that do enlist over getting other jobs has gone down even more. I'll post a new thread about this http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/first-person-singular-2.htm
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Post  backtothegrave on Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:30 am

ok i'll have a look!
anyway, the same issue in italy too. until a few years ago, a one-years levy was compulsory for every male.
then a law suspended it, and now all the military are volunteers, both enlisted for 1-2 years or lifelong.
of course the army has become by far smaller.
anyway the levy was universally hated, so t's a good thing.
maybe the best solution is the swiss (or israelian) way, that means basic military training fo everyone. so in case of war it would be easier to defend the country, because almost everyone knows how to handle standard equipment.
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Post  backtothegrave on Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:17 am

"....he was forced to spend 80 percent of his time dealing with the 13 “problem children” in his 100-man company." Shocked

also in italy armed forces have to face the same problems.
and some more.
one for all, most of the military have political ideas of extreme right (in other words, are fascists).
in some barracks, each day starts with a ceremony in honour of mussolini, and often non-fascist soldiers have been beaten to blood. some have been killed.
it's frightening thinking of how such an army could defend democracy.... Sad
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:44 pm

looks to me like the Italian army needs a little bit of Gorbachevism. A little perestroika here, a little uskoreniye there, maybe a dash of Gospriyomaka on the top, and how about a little Glasnost on the side?
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Post  backtothegrave on Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:37 am

maybe they just need to have a look to history books... study
and learn what fascism truly did to italy!!!
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