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Post  ComradeLynx on Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:55 pm

From Kommersant.ru

Kazan to Resume Tu-160 Production
Kazan Aviation and Production Association will resume production of Tu-160 bombers, ITAR-TASS reported.
It was Alexei Fedorov, the board chairman of United Aircraft Construction Corp., that spoke of the chances to resume production of supersonic strategic missile carriers. Earlier, representatives of Russia’s Air Force had mentioned the intention to reinforce the park of Tu-160 by new aircraft, adding a plane each one or two years to have 30 Tu-160s by 2025 to 2030.

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Re: Russia to produce MORE Tu-160's!

Post  su37rulez on Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:41 pm

ComradeLynx wrote:From Kommersant.ru

Kazan to Resume Tu-160 Production
Kazan Aviation and Production Association will resume production of Tu-160 bombers, ITAR-TASS reported.
It was Alexei Fedorov, the board chairman of United Aircraft Construction Corp., that spoke of the chances to resume production of supersonic strategic missile carriers. Earlier, representatives of Russia’s Air Force had mentioned the intention to reinforce the park of Tu-160 by new aircraft, adding a plane each one or two years to have 30 Tu-160s by 2025 to 2030.

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Re: Russia to produce MORE Tu-160's!

Post  OptimusGonzo on Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:39 pm

Thats still a LOONG way off and still not a huge bomber fleet. does
Russia have any other bomber designs it intends to mass produce, seeing
as 30 is not a huge number for bombers. What other bombers are active in the service of Russia today?
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Re: Russia to produce MORE Tu-160's!

Post  su37rulez on Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:52 pm

OptimusGonzo wrote:Thats still a LOONG way off and still not a huge bomber fleet. does
Russia have any other bomber designs it intends to mass produce, seeing
as 30 is not a huge number for bombers. What other bombers are active in the service of Russia today?
What about 40? That's enough.
And hey enough with the negatives!

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Re: Russia to produce MORE Tu-160's!

Post  OptimusGonzo on Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:06 pm

su37rulez wrote:
OptimusGonzo wrote:Thats still a LOONG way off and still not a huge bomber fleet. does
Russia have any other bomber designs it intends to mass produce, seeing
as 30 is not a huge number for bombers. What other bombers are active in the service of Russia today?
What about 40? That's enough.
And hey enough with the negatives!

What do you have in your stinking Air Force? Evil or Very Mad

Not only do we have a very large bomber fleet, over 85 B52s alone in active service with several hundred more mothballed in the boneyard, we also have (more importantly too) a large number of refuling aircraft which keeps us going so we can fly as many sorties as the pilot can take as long as the aircraft keeps enough munitions. It increases our operational capacity, which any airforce should strive to increase. what if the T50 has a very low reliability and requires large amounts of down time between flights to conduct servicing? then it will be no better than the craptor. Which is why operational capacity is key.

And of course I live near Whiteman AFB here in Missouri, in fact I brought up the refuling fact because our bomber crews that hit afghanistan started their 30+ hour mission from Missouri and circumnavigated the globe. I couldn't tell you their flight path, but more important than showing that we can bomb targets is that we did it far off without stopping.
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Post  77RUS on Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:52 am

OptimusGonzo wrote:Thats still a LOONG way off and still not a huge bomber fleet. does
Russia have any other bomber designs it intends to mass produce, seeing
as 30 is not a huge number for bombers. What other bombers are active in the service of Russia today?
Blackjacks have small plasma generator at the nose, it used shortly for enter defence line, so even 10 Blackjacks can do Apocalipce Smile
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Re: Russia to produce MORE Tu-160's!

Post  ComradeLynx on Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:20 am

60+ Tu-95's
300+ Tu-22M's
19 Tu-160's

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Re: Russia to produce MORE Tu-160's!

Post  backtothegrave on Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:37 am

after all, both russia and usa have hundreds of ICBM....
so bombers are for different tasks than mere nuclear bombing. they're more expensive and vulnerable than missiles so...
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Re: Russia to produce MORE Tu-160's!

Post  su37rulez on Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:59 am

OptimusGonzo wrote:
su37rulez wrote:
OptimusGonzo wrote:Thats still a LOONG way off and still not a huge bomber fleet. does
Russia have any other bomber designs it intends to mass produce, seeing
as 30 is not a huge number for bombers. What other bombers are active in the service of Russia today?
What about 40? That's enough.
And hey enough with the negatives!

What do you have in your stinking Air Force? Evil or Very Mad

Not only do we have a very large bomber fleet, over 85 B52s alone in active service with several hundred more mothballed in the boneyard, we also have (more importantly too) a large number of refuling aircraft which keeps us going so we can fly as many sorties as the pilot can take as long as the aircraft keeps enough munitions. It increases our operational capacity, which any airforce should strive to increase. what if the T50 has a very low reliability and requires large amounts of down time between flights to conduct servicing? then it will be no better than the craptor. Which is why operational capacity is key.

And of course I live near Whiteman AFB here in Missouri, in fact I brought up the refuling fact because our bomber crews that hit afghanistan started their 30+ hour mission from Missouri and circumnavigated the globe. I couldn't tell you their flight path, but more important than showing that we can bomb targets is that we did it far off without stopping.
Aha see!
We got > 300 of little Tu-22M's. They're gonna beat your ass.
Shut up!
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Re: Russia to produce MORE Tu-160's!

Post  ComradeLynx on Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:46 am

su37rulez wrote:
OptimusGonzo wrote:
su37rulez wrote:
OptimusGonzo wrote:Thats still a LOONG way off and still not a huge bomber fleet. does
Russia have any other bomber designs it intends to mass produce, seeing
as 30 is not a huge number for bombers. What other bombers are active in the service of Russia today?
What about 40? That's enough.
And hey enough with the negatives!

What do you have in your stinking Air Force? Evil or Very Mad

Not only do we have a very large bomber fleet, over 85 B52s alone in active service with several hundred more mothballed in the boneyard, we also have (more importantly too) a large number of refuling aircraft which keeps us going so we can fly as many sorties as the pilot can take as long as the aircraft keeps enough munitions. It increases our operational capacity, which any airforce should strive to increase. what if the T50 has a very low reliability and requires large amounts of down time between flights to conduct servicing? then it will be no better than the craptor. Which is why operational capacity is key.

And of course I live near Whiteman AFB here in Missouri, in fact I brought up the refuling fact because our bomber crews that hit afghanistan started their 30+ hour mission from Missouri and circumnavigated the globe. I couldn't tell you their flight path, but more important than showing that we can bomb targets is that we did it far off without stopping.
Aha see!
We got > 300 of little Tu-22M's. They're gonna beat your ass.
Shut up!
Hey, bud vezhlivi! Next time ill edit ur post. bounce

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Re: Russia to produce MORE Tu-160's!

Post  OptimusGonzo on Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:53 pm

who was that directed at? and yes the Tu22 is fine and good and all, but previous performance history has not been that particularly outstanding. Of course, no major military power has ever been given a chance to check out the full potential of their bomber command since WWII. Its kind of Ironic really, how all we argue here is theoretical and statistical when if a war did break out, which it won't, all that would fly out the window in favor of more modern ideas. It'll probably be a fine aircraft as long as its in service.
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Post  su37rulez on Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:04 pm

ComradeLynx wrote:
su37rulez wrote:
OptimusGonzo wrote:
su37rulez wrote:
OptimusGonzo wrote:Thats still a LOONG way off and still not a huge bomber fleet. does
Russia have any other bomber designs it intends to mass produce, seeing
as 30 is not a huge number for bombers. What other bombers are active in the service of Russia today?
What about 40? That's enough.
And hey enough with the negatives!

What do you have in your stinking Air Force? Evil or Very Mad

Not only do we have a very large bomber fleet, over 85 B52s alone in active service with several hundred more mothballed in the boneyard, we also have (more importantly too) a large number of refuling aircraft which keeps us going so we can fly as many sorties as the pilot can take as long as the aircraft keeps enough munitions. It increases our operational capacity, which any airforce should strive to increase. what if the T50 has a very low reliability and requires large amounts of down time between flights to conduct servicing? then it will be no better than the craptor. Which is why operational capacity is key.

And of course I live near Whiteman AFB here in Missouri, in fact I brought up the refuling fact because our bomber crews that hit afghanistan started their 30+ hour mission from Missouri and circumnavigated the globe. I couldn't tell you their flight path, but more important than showing that we can bomb targets is that we did it far off without stopping.
Aha see!
We got > 300 of little Tu-22M's. They're gonna beat your ass.
Shut up!
Hey, bud vezhlivi! Next time ill edit ur post. bounce
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Re: Russia to produce MORE Tu-160's!

Post  SDBolts on Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:07 am

Russia needs like 300 lol! Not a petty 30 xD
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Post  su37rulez on Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:22 pm

SDBolts wrote:Russia needs like 300 lol! Not a petty 30 xD
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:12 pm

but as a serious reconsideration, Russia should dump money from their Tu22s to the Blackjacks. it'd be worth it.
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Post  ComradeLynx on Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:53 am

OptimusGonzo wrote:but as a serious reconsideration, Russia should dump money from their Tu22s to the Blackjacks. it'd be worth it.
I dont think so, Tu-22M is regarded as one of the best (and dangerous) bombers even today, it can penetrate enemy AA systems with supersonic speed and below radar, or low altitude. Tu-160 is waay too expensive to use/maintain, so i like how VVS is balanced. Smile

However, i DONT like that Su-34 will replace Tu-22M3! That would SUCK! It would be best like, Su-34 replaces Tu-22M2 and older versions, still some in VVS

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Post  OptimusGonzo on Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:41 am

yeah but look at it this way, Russia has 300+ Tu22 and only going to have 30 Blackjacks. I think they could use a few more. And yeah the Tu22 is a good bomber, but not THAT great that they couldn't sacrafice a few's funds to give to the Blackjacks. And another thing, what does Russia have in the way of JDAM or other Guided munitions?
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Post  SDBolts on Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:03 pm

yeah as i said before, 30 Blackjacks is too few. Russia needs to show that it is truly #1 in the world and mass produce everything Smile
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Re: Russia to produce MORE Tu-160's!

Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:31 pm

OptimusGonzo wrote:yeah but look at it this way, Russia has 300+ Tu22 and only going to have 30 Blackjacks. I think they could use a few more. And yeah the Tu22 is a good bomber, but not THAT great that they couldn't sacrafice a few's funds to give to the Blackjacks. And another thing, what does Russia have in the way of JDAM or other Guided munitions?



The Soviets developed their answer to the US Copperhead laser-guided
artillery projectile, the "Krasnopol" series of munitions. As with
Copperhead, it was to be used to perform precision strikes on hard targets,
with the target laser-designated by reconnaissance assets or special ops
teams. Work on the Krasnopol munition was begun at the KBP organization in
Tula in the late 1970s. The munition was to be fired out of a standard 152
millimeter howitzer, giving it a range of 10 to 20 kilometers (6 to 12
miles). The Soviets found developing a guidance system that could withstand
thousand of gees as troublesome as did the Americans, and the munition didn't
begin to reach service units until 1987.

The Krasnopol system is built around a laser-guided projectile, which is 1.3
meters (4 feet 4 inches) long, with the rest of the system consisting of
fire-control apparatus and a laser target designator. The munition will not
fit into automatic loaders and has to be hand-loaded, but the operational
cycle takes only about 90 seconds. The fire-control system is linked to the
laser designator to ensure that it is only turned on about ten seconds before
impact, otherwise the munition will try to drop into a flat trajectory to the
target, robbing it of kinetic energy and range. During midcourse flight, the
munition is guided by an INS. The target has to be within about a kilometer
from the precalculated impact point. Kill probability is about 90% in clear
weather conditions.



A second-generation version of the munition, the "Krasnopol-M", was developed
in the 1990s. It reduced the length to 95 centimeters (3 feet 1.4 inches),
allowing it to be used in automatic loaders, though it has shorter range.
The Krasnopol-M is available in both 152 millimeter and 155 millimeter
variants. It has been exported to at least twelve nations, and Russian
forces have used it to fight the insurgency in Chechnya.

Tula KBP also sells a 122 millimeter laser-guided munition, the "Kitolov-2",
which is derived from the Krasnopol, as well as a comparable 120 millimeter
laser-guided mortar round, the "Kitolov-2M". These have not been fielded by
the Russian military and seem to be for the export market.




Some of the new high precision arms have been commissioned with the
Russian Air Force. One of the most recent developments is guided bomb
KAB-500S-E. This is Russian analogy of the American JDAM (Joint Direct
Attack Munition). KAB-500S-E will be used by the new aviation complexes
at the altitudes of 500- 10000 meters with the speed of the carrier
between 550-1100 km/h. Its accuracy is 5-10m. The “brain” of the all
weather bomb is 24-channel GLONASS/Navstar PSN-2001 designed by the
Moscow based KB Compass. KAB-500S-E is deemed also for export to India
and China. Technically it can be used on the newest aircraft Su-32 and
Su-35.

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Post  OptimusGonzo on Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:06 pm

KAB-500S-E

this is the real weapon I was looking for. the greatest advantage of our JDAM system is that it can be mounted on any general purpose bomb, or thats what it was DESIGNED to do anyway. if they can't mount this on older or newer craft, it makes it less useful, but you said they could so its all good lol.
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