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Post  sadom666 on Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:48 pm

Americans got their ass kicked in Cope India 2004
cheers nextttttttttt ............ hmmm maybe F-16 or F-18 Cool
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F-15 is CRAP!

Post  su37rulez on Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:21 pm

What they are uncompareble...
Su-30 can beat ANY american plane..

How bout MiG-21 vs. F-15?
Oh.. That's still pretty big, because MiG-21 will win.Wink
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To end up with

Post  sadom666 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:27 am

su37rulez wrote:What they are uncompareble...
Su-30 can beat ANY american plane..

How bout MiG-21 vs. F-15?
Oh.. That's still pretty big, because MiG-21 will win.Wink

American airplanes are a joy to fly cheers
but Russian airplanes are a joy in the battlefield cheers

ohh about the MiG-21 I don't really think it would down F-15 (sorry)
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  ComradeLynx on Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:33 am

ACTUALLY, i remember hearing, that a MiG-21 has shot down F-15 over
Serbia, but of course americans dont want to admit and everyone thinks
it didnt happen! Evil or Very Mad
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Info ?????

Post  sadom666 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:47 am

ComradeLynx wrote:ACTUALLY, i remember hearing, that a MiG-21 has shot down F-15 over
Serbia, but of course americans dont want to admit and everyone thinks
it didnt happen! Evil or Very Mad

Where did u hear that:affraid: affraid can u post some more info plz ?...........
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  ComradeLynx on Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:59 am

sadom666 wrote:
ComradeLynx wrote:ACTUALLY, i remember hearing, that a MiG-21 has shot down F-15 over
Serbia, but of course americans dont want to admit and everyone thinks
it didnt happen! Evil or Very Mad

Where did u hear that:affraid: affraid can u post some more info plz ?...........
I would LOVE TO DO THAT, but as americans have destroyed all evidence, its pretty hard to tell it Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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SU-30 vs F-15

Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:22 pm

WASHINGTON(AP) - The success of the Indian air force against American
fighter planes in a recent exercise suggests other countries may soon
be able to threaten U.S. military dominance of the skies, a top Air
Force general said Wednesday.

''We may not be as far ahead of the rest of the world as we thought we
were,'' said Gen. Hal M. Hornburg, the chief of Air Combat Command,
which oversees U.S. fighter and bomber wings.

The U.S.-India joint exercise, ''Cope India,'' took place in February near Gwalior in central, India. It pitted some F-15C Eagle fighters from the 3rd Wing at Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska, in mock combat against Indian MiG,Sukhoi and Mirage fighters.

The F-15Cs are the Air Force's
primary air superiority aircraft. The Indian fighters, of Russian and
French design, are the type of planes U.S. fighters would most likely
face in any overseas conflict.

Hornburg, speaking to reporters,
called the results of the exercise ''a wake-up call'' in some respects,
but he declined to provide details, other than to suggest the Indian
air force scored several unexpected successes against the American
planes.

For the last 15 years, the U.S. military has enjoyed
almost total command of the air during conflicts. A few fighters and
fighter-bombers have gone down, usually victims of surface-to-air
missile fire, but in general, American planes have been able to target
enemy ground forces at will.

In the most recent invasion of Iraq, Saddam Hussein's air force stayed grounded.

New tactics, better Russian fighters like the Su-30, and a new generation
of surface-to-air missiles mean that U.S. dominance could be ending,
said Loren Thompson, who follows military issues for the Lexington
Institute, a Washington think tank.


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General Hornburg about Cope 2004

Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:29 pm

This General spoke about Cope India 2004!
Against SU-30K!!!! Not SU-30MKI!!!! Rolling Eyes
The U.S really needs stealth to stand a change
against the Sukhoi's.
It's all they have at this moment over the Sukhoi's.
I think that the U.S puts all it's eggs in one basket
depending so heavily on Stealth alone!


What if Russian plasma stealth works???
They could use it on every existing aircraft!!!
Using plasma stealth in combination with some RAS and RAM means that the Russian airframes would have less compromised structures.
The U.S would be in real trouble then because the Russians already lead in super manoeuvrebility and missile technology.
Russian missiles also have way more range.
I can't wait for "THE BEAST" and the Pak-Fa. cheers
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  su37rulez on Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:55 pm

frankyspeaker wrote:
I can't wait for "THE BEAST" and the Pak-Fa. cheers
"BEAST"?
Were you the one who commented my MiG-25/31 video on the youtube?
I remember reading the comment "How much does the Beast weight? And how much do the engines on this beast weight?" or something like that...
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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RE:SU-30 vs F-15

Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:24 pm

su37rulez wrote:
frankyspeaker wrote:
I can't wait for "THE BEAST" and the Pak-Fa. cheers
"BEAST"?
Were you the one who commented my MiG-25/31 video on the youtube?
I remember reading the comment "How much does the Beast weight? And how much do the engines on this beast weight?" or something like that...
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

THE BEAST is the SU-35BM!

I just looked at your video.
It wasn't me.
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  su37rulez on Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:55 pm

frankyspeaker wrote:
su37rulez wrote:
frankyspeaker wrote:
I can't wait for "THE BEAST" and the Pak-Fa. cheers
"BEAST"?
Were you the one who commented my MiG-25/31 video on the youtube?
I remember reading the comment "How much does the Beast weight? And how much do the engines on this beast weight?" or something like that...
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

THE BEAST is the SU-35BM!

I just looked at your video.
It wasn't me.
"Beast" I like that word :-
Cool , Well Su-35BM is a beast too..
Pretty good, ha?
And has a little stealth..
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  77RUS on Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:00 pm

su37rulez wrote:What they are uncompareble...
Su-30 can beat ANY american plane..

How bout MiG-21 vs. F-15?
Oh.. That's still pretty big, because MiG-21 will win.Wink

any except F-22, it's sad, but it's truth
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  su37rulez on Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:14 pm

77RUS wrote:
su37rulez wrote:What they are uncompareble...
Su-30 can beat ANY american plane..

How bout MiG-21 vs. F-15?
Oh.. That's still pretty big, because MiG-21 will win.Wink

any except F-22, it's sad, but it's truth
Ну бля...
Я-же шучу, ты шутку испортил...
Как дела militaryvideo?
Как твой сайт?
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  77RUS on Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:51 am

su37rulez wrote:
77RUS wrote:
su37rulez wrote:What they are uncompareble...
Su-30 can beat ANY american plane..

How bout MiG-21 vs. F-15?
Oh.. That's still pretty big, because MiG-21 will win.Wink

any except F-22, it's sad, but it's truth
Ну бля...
Я-же шучу, ты шутку испортил...
Как дела militaryvideo?
Как твой сайт?

Может по-буржуйски будем общаться, остальным могут быть не понятны наши закорючки

Didn't notice that it was a joke

I'm fine, call me 77RUS please, i had to choose "militaryvideo" on YouTube, because some idiot already registered 77RUS and didn't use it.

The website is fine, i have so many projects and so less time. Mosocw OMON wants me to help them with their official Blog. "Blue berets" are taking so much time to admin and other stuff... Sad
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  su37rulez on Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:17 pm

77RUS wrote:

Может по-буржуйски будем общаться, остальным могут быть не понятны наши закорючки

Didn't notice that it was a joke

I'm fine, call me 77RUS please, i had to choose "militaryvideo" on YouTube, because some idiot already registered 77RUS and didn't use it.

The website is fine, i have so many projects and so less time. Mosocw OMON wants me to help them with their official Blog. "Blue berets" are taking so much time to admin and other stuff... Sad
Moscow Omon? Oh, looks like you have lots to do...
Can you tell me why it's 77RUS?
I mean why 77?
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  ComradeLynx on Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:21 pm

su37rulez wrote:
77RUS wrote:

Может по-буржуйски будем общаться, остальным могут быть не понятны наши закорючки

Didn't notice that it was a joke

I'm fine, call me 77RUS please, i had to choose "militaryvideo" on YouTube, because some idiot already registered 77RUS and didn't use it.

The website is fine, i have so many projects and so less time. Mosocw OMON wants me to help them with their official Blog. "Blue berets" are taking so much time to admin and other stuff... Sad
Moscow Omon? Oh, looks like you have lots to do...
Can you tell me why it's 77RUS?
I mean why 77?

God rodilsa...? sunny
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  su37rulez on Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:31 pm

ComradeLynx wrote:
God rodilsa...? sunny

Хорошо рассуждаешь..
Молоток.
Я об этом и не додумывался..
Думал типа по хацкерски он написал типа 77=TT sunny
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  77RUS on Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:33 pm

su37rulez wrote:
ComradeLynx wrote:
God rodilsa...? sunny

Хорошо рассуждаешь..
Молоток.
Я об этом и не додумывался..
Думал типа по хацкерски он написал типа 77=TT sunny

ehhh, you didn't ever thing about the most ordinary version Smile

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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  su37rulez on Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:23 pm

77RUS wrote:
su37rulez wrote:
ComradeLynx wrote:
God rodilsa...? sunny

Хорошо рассуждаешь..
Молоток.
Я об этом и не додумывался..
Думал типа по хацкерски он написал типа 77=TT sunny

ehhh, you didn't ever thing about the most ordinary version Smile

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Номер твоей машины? Suspect
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  77RUS on Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:58 pm

something like that
i just live in Moscow
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  Uberwarz on Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:25 am

I never understood why we fighted in Serbia... it was a usles war we just banned 2+billions there just for rockets.... that sux.
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noooooo

Post  sadom666 on Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:42 am

frankyspeaker wrote:This General spoke about Cope India 2004!
Against SU-30K!!!! Not SU-30MKI!!!! Rolling Eyes
The U.S really needs stealth to stand a change
against the Sukhoi's.
It's all they have at this moment over the Sukhoi's.
I think that the U.S puts all it's eggs in one basket
depending so heavily on Stealth alone!


What if Russian plasma stealth works???
They could use it on every existing aircraft!!!
Using plasma stealth in combination with some RAS and RAM means that the Russian airframes would have less compromised structures.
The U.S would be in real trouble then because the Russians already lead in super manoeuvrebility and missile technology.
Russian missiles also have way more range.
I can't wait for "THE BEAST" and the Pak-Fa. cheers

Russian plasma stealth works!!!!!!!!! they tested it on a Su-27

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Re:noooooo

Post  frankyspeaker on Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:50 pm

sadom666 wrote:

"Russian plasma stealth works
!!!!!!!!! they tested it on a Su-27"


I know. They tested it on a SU-27IB(SU-34) but it's not
certain if it works perfectly at higher speeds.
Getting it right at high speeds is difficult.
That's why i think they could use a mix of the two technologies.
RAS/RAM combined with Plasma stealth.
Because Plasma stealth has more features than reducing RCS alone.
And using them combined means a less compromised structure
because you do not have to build the aircraft as a
pure RAS/RAM stealth fighter this way. Very Happy
Maybe 70% RAS/RAM and 30% Plasma stealth. Question Question
And with a stronger structure you can reach more speed and altitude. cheers
Let us wait and see what the final results will be.
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  SDBolts on Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:14 pm

sadom666 wrote:Americans got their ass kicked in Cope India 2004
cheers nextttttttttt ............ hmmm maybe F-16 or F-18 Cool
Are you dumb lol (jk)?!?!? F-15C, much better than original F-15, lost to not the Su-30, but Su-30MKI, a crappy export version. The F-15C also lost to the Mirage 2000, a VERY old French plane, and the original MiG-29, hell, try the new MiG-29SMT, no contest! I was very disappointed with my USAF from that event Sad(((

The F-22 with all of its many flaws and theoretical but not actually proven stealth I bet is worse than F-15C!!!
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Re: Su-30 vs F-15

Post  frankyspeaker on Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:15 pm

SDBolts wrote:
sadom666 wrote:Americans got their ass kicked in Cope India 2004
cheers nextttttttttt ............ hmmm maybe F-16 or F-18 Cool
Are you dumb lol (jk)?!?!? F-15C, much better than original F-15, lost to not the Su-30, but Su-30MKI, a crappy export version. The F-15C also lost to the Mirage 2000, a VERY old French plane, and the original MiG-29, hell, try the new MiG-29SMT, no contest! I was very disappointed with my USAF from that event Sad(((

The F-22 with all of its many flaws and theoretical but not actually proven stealth I bet is worse than F-15C!!!


The F-15C lost to SU-30K at COPE 2004 and
to SU-30MKI at COPE 2007.Very Happy
The first SU-30K were delivered in 1997.
K means Kommercheskiy (Commercial)
The first SU-30MKI were delivered in 2002.
MKI means Modernizirovannyi Kommercheskiy Indiski.
(Modern Commercial India)
And the Su-30MKI is far more advanced and capable than the SU-30K.
The SU-30K is also called SU-27PU and is a downgraded version
of the SU-27UB.(Flanker C)
All SU-30K will be upgraded to SU-30MKI.Very Happy
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