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Post  sadom666 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:08 am

The PAK FA (or PAK-FA), also known as the Sukhoi Su-50 is a fifth-generation fighter jet which is being developed by Russia. The PAK FA is being developed by a consortium of companies spearheaded by Sukhoi OKB. It stands for Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi (Перспективный авиационный комплекс фронтовой авиации in Russian) which means Future Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces. Sukhoi's internal project codename is T-50. The PAK FA is intended to replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker in the Russian Air Force. It is scheduled to have its first flight in 2008, and enter service with the Russian Air Force subsequently. It will face direct competition from the F-22 Raptor. cheers

What u say will it kick Craptors ass or what ? Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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Re: PAK FA

Post  Uberwarz on Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:35 am

Take a look here!




I just hope that your Su-T50 dont looks like our planes!Suspect
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Re: PAK FA

Post  Uberwarz on Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:35 am

Besides we have F-22A when the Su Comes we will have F-22B that will be mutch stronger ( i hope) king
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Post  ComradeLynx on Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:52 am

You are hilarious, Su-27SM will kick your Craptor in the fat ass. Laughing
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Post  su37rulez on Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:03 pm

ComradeLynx wrote:You are hilarious, Su-27SM will kick your Craptor in the fat ass. Laughing

And eat the delicious borsh... *Give me five*
Smile
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Re: PAK FA

Post  ComradeLynx on Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:08 pm

su37rulez wrote:
ComradeLynx wrote:You are hilarious, Su-27SM will kick your Craptor in the fat ass. Laughing

And eat the delicious borsh... *Give me five*
Smile
Borsch is delicious! Wink
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Re: PAK FA

Post  su37rulez on Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:51 pm

ComradeLynx wrote:
su37rulez wrote:
ComradeLynx wrote:You are hilarious, Su-27SM will kick your Craptor in the fat ass. Laughing

And eat the delicious borsh... *Give me five*
Smile
Borsch is delicious! Wink
Yeah, I know...
Compared to American fat food..Rolling Eyes
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Re: PAK FA

Post  Uberwarz on Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:48 am

Whats wrong with American food? we have all kinds of food!
Btw i learned that your Su T-50 is coming out in 2009.... hope it dont looks
like our F-22









Good luck with tha plane! We gonna see whos the best.Time will show!
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Post  su37rulez on Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:29 pm

Uberwarz wrote:Whats wrong with American food? we have all kinds of food!
Btw i learned that your Su T-50 is coming out in 2009.... hope it dont looks
like our F-22








Good luck with tha plane! We gonna see whos the best.Time will show!
Oh, it won't believe me..
Why would it look like F-22? Do you have a cold or something?
It will have plasma stealth, and plasma stealth can be used to any kind of vehicle..
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Post  backtothegrave on Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:16 pm

Uberwarz wrote:Whats wrong with American food? we have all kinds of food!
Btw i learned that your Su T-50 is coming out in 2009.... hope it dont looks
like our F-22


come to italy and you'll change idea on american food!!

btw why didn't you americans send us sone "craptors" instead of those OLD f-16A??? Mad

and, if you'll have a look at wikipedia, you'll have an artist guess of th plane... hope's only an artist guess!!!Laughing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAK_FA
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Re: PAK FA

Post  77RUS on Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:51 am

Uberwarz wrote:Whats wrong with American food? we have all kinds of food!
Btw i learned that your Su T-50 is coming out in 2009.... hope it dont looks
like our F-22









Good luck with tha plane! We gonna see whos the best.Time will show!

You know, the look of the aircraft could be the same, it will depend on the task and characteristics of the craft, if we want it to be stealthy and supersonic cruise speed it easily could look like F-22, just compare B-1B and Tu-160, they have many similar things, in's not because one of them is the copy, it's because the same tasks they were produced for.

The same story was with MiG-25 and F-15, MiG-25 was produced earlier, but F-15 looks very similar in some parts, it's because they have common idea
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Re: PAK FA

Post  77RUS on Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:54 am

backtothegrave wrote:
Uberwarz wrote:Whats wrong with American food? we have all kinds of food!
Btw i learned that your Su T-50 is coming out in 2009.... hope it dont looks
like our F-22


come to italy and you'll change idea on american food!!

btw why didn't you americans send us sone "craptors" instead of those OLD f-16A??? Mad

and, if you'll have a look at wikipedia, you'll have an artist guess of th plane... hope's only an artist guess!!!Laughing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAK_FA

Indeed, Italian food is very very delicious! but americans have also something "interesting" to eat, except of course those sh..ty hamburgers and other sandwiches. But but but there is nothing better then pelmeni, borsch, blinni, salo and a bottle of frozen vodka Smile
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Re: PAK FA

Post  Uberwarz on Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:33 am

Haha we sell all old stuff to your countrys... no need thinking!





Thats STEALTH! these plane rockx! tongue
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Post  ComradeLynx on Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:34 pm

backtothegrave wrote:
Uberwarz wrote:Whats wrong with American food? we have all kinds of food!
Btw i learned that your Su T-50 is coming out in 2009.... hope it dont looks
like our F-22


come to italy and you'll change idea on american food!!

btw why didn't you americans send us sone "craptors" instead of those OLD f-16A??? Mad

and, if you'll have a look at wikipedia, you'll have an artist guess of th plane... hope's only an artist guess!!!Laughing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAK_FA

Dude, one word...







PIZZAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, couldnt resist Very Happy





This is S-300, it too ROCKS, but its waaay better. Smile
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Re: PAK FA

Post  su37rulez on Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:59 pm

77RUS wrote:
Uberwarz wrote:Whats wrong with American food? we have all kinds of food!
Btw i learned that your Su T-50 is coming out in 2009.... hope it dont looks
like our F-22

Good luck with tha plane! We gonna see whos the best.Time will show!

You know, the look of the aircraft could be the same, it will depend on the task and characteristics of the craft, if we want it to be stealthy and supersonic cruise speed it easily could look like F-22, just compare B-1B and Tu-160, they have many similar things, in's not because one of them is the copy, it's because the same tasks they were produced for.

The same story was with MiG-25 and F-15, MiG-25 was produced earlier, but F-15 looks very similar in some parts, it's because they have common idea
Nope..
It doesn't have to look close to F-22!
Because the plasma-stealth could be used on any kind of a vehicle.
So unless we want it suuuuuuuuuuper-stealthy (stealthier tha Craptor)
it doesn't have to look like F-22
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Re: PAK FA

Post  su37rulez on Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:01 pm

77RUS wrote:.... But but but there is nothing better then pelmeni, borsch, blinni, salo and a bottle of frozen vodka Smile
Pelmeni!!!
На этом я с тобой соглашаюсь, товарищь!
For real!
THERE IS NOTHING BETTER!
Cool Cool Cool
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Post  ComradeLynx on Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:50 pm

PELMYENI, BORSCH... cheers


BLYAD...! cheers
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Post  su37rulez on Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:52 pm

ComradeLynx wrote:PELMYENI, BORSCH... cheers


cheers
... В перёд!!!! Cool clown
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Re: PAK FA

Post  SDBolts on Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:46 pm

The F-117's and B-2's stealth doesn't exist. THe planes were all detected in the Serbian war by 60s Soviet radars lol! How pathetic. Reports by Lockheed Martin and by USAF analysts like Colonel Riccioni have proven F-22 lacks it's only advantage: stealth. Ergo, Raptor fails and we're still at F-15C for our main attack plane. I really liek the F-15C and it's a good plane.

And a question: Won't Sukhoi T-50 have front-spread wings like the Berkut?!?1
I LOVE BERKUT! Pity it was only a technology demonstrator :/
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Post  su37rulez on Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:19 pm

SDBolts wrote:The F-117's and B-2's stealth doesn't exist. THe planes were all detected in the Serbian war by 60s Soviet radars lol! How pathetic. Reports by Lockheed Martin and by USAF analysts like Colonel Riccioni have proven F-22 lacks it's only advantage: stealth. Ergo, Raptor fails and we're still at F-15C for our main attack plane. I really liek the F-15C and it's a good plane.

And a question: Won't Sukhoi T-50 have front-spread wings like the Berkut?!?1
I LOVE BERKUT! Pity it was only a technology demonstrator :/
I remember you said F-22 is not your dream plane (or something like that)
What is?
Does F-15C have thrust vectoring? Because I think I remember to read someone's comment on my Su-37 (first video)
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Re: PAK FA

Post  frankyspeaker on Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:39 pm

su37rulez said:

"Does F-15C have thrust vectoring? Because I think I remember to read someone's comment on my Su-37 (first video)"


The F-15C does not use TVC.
No F-15 in service uses TVC.
The only F-15 with TVC is a demonstrator used in the 90's.
It's called the F-15 ACTIVE.
The F-15 ACTIVE also uses canards.
These canards are in fact modified F-18 tailplanes.
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Post  frankyspeaker on Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:18 pm

SDBolts wrote:The F-117's and B-2's stealth doesn't exist. THe planes were all detected in the Serbian war by 60s Soviet radars lol! How pathetic. Reports by Lockheed Martin and by USAF analysts like Colonel Riccioni have proven F-22 lacks it's only advantage: stealth. Ergo, Raptor fails and we're still at F-15C for our main attack plane. I really liek the F-15C and it's a good plane.

And a question: Won't Sukhoi T-50 have front-spread wings like the Berkut?!?1
I LOVE BERKUT! Pity it was only a technology demonstrator :/


Stealth does exist. All stealth planes can be detected but targeting stealth planes is more difficult. Because of their small radar signature they can see you first. And that's the advantage of stealth.
Lacking stealth is the reason why Russia leads in air defence systems.Very Happy
If stealth doesn't work than why is Russia building a stealth fighter Question
The problems mentioned in the report are no longer existing.
That's why it took so long before the F-22 entered service.
All new development takes time and a ground breaking development like
the F-22 takes even more time to get it working well.
Don't forget that the F-22 is the first stealth fighter build.
These problems are solved but a true RAS and RAM stealth
design will always have a compromised structure compared to a
non stealth or non true stealth design.
That's the price you pay for having a small RCS through the
extensive use of RAS.
Remember the F-117 that lost a wing at a U.S airshow in level flight Question
A potential problem the F-22 can encounter is that it's too reliant on computers wich make the F-22 very sensitive for failures Exclamation
One computer glitch and nothing works Exclamation
I think that the Russians will use the centre base from the SU-47 for
the Pak-Fa but not the FSW.
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Post  SDBolts on Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:39 pm

Well I know this stealth does exist, but it has not proven to be very effective. But why would you wanna make a plane when in reality it is not so much effective against radars and it is still visible on stone-age radars, and for that, the price of a completely screwed up plane. The F-22 takes forever to even fire as well... it isn't target-fire. It is target, open bay, target, fire. And the bay once opened = dead stealth, and takes a good amount of time to open, then finally when all's said and done, you have 8 missiles to fire from and by that time, stone age planes will have you in range and will have fired themselves....

And Su37rulez, the F-22 is not my dream plane lol! When have I said that? I like the Eagle much more!

I really hope the RUssians do use FSW on the T-50 because it looks so cool! And it is such a great aerodynamical innovation!
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Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:05 am

SDBolts said:

"Well I know this stealth does exist, but it has not proven to be very effective. But why would you wanna make a plane when in reality it is not so much effective against radars and it is still visible on stone-age radars, and for that, the price of a completely screwed up plane. The F-22 takes forever to even fire as well... it isn't target-fire. It is target, open bay, target, fire. And the bay once opened = dead stealth, and takes a good amount of time to open, then finally when all's said and done, you have 8 missiles to fire from and by that time, stone age planes will have you in range and will have fired themselves...."


Stealth works in a air to air engagement.
It's always a advantage to be the first to target your opponent.
That alone is enough to justify the ridiculous costs.
Not one F-117 was downed in Iraq. They detected it on radar but they could not target it. And that's what most people forget.
Detecting and targeting are two different things.
At this moment the difference is too big even when it
takes 8 seconds to launch a missile or more.
They also fly in pairs.
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Post  SDBolts on Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:07 am

Argh, how few people know what went on in either Iraq "war"... if anything, it was Coalition AND Iraq vs. Hussein!
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