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Post  sadom666 on Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:35 am

Despite the apparent technical difficulty of designing a plasma stealth device for combat aircraft, there are claims that a system was offered for export by Russia in 1999. In January of 1999, the Russian ITAR-TASS news agency published an interview with Doctor Anatoliy Koroteyev, the director of the Keldysh Research Center (FKA Scientific Research Institute for Thermal Processes), who talked about the plasma stealth device developed by his organization. The claim was particularly interesting in light of the solid scientific reputation of Dr. Koroteyev and the Institute for Thermal Processes, which is one of the top scientific research organizations in the world in the field of fundamental physics. [see "Russian scientists created revolutionary technologies for reducing radar visibility of aircraft", by Nikolay Novichkov, ITAR-TASS, January 20, 1999].
The Journal of Electronic Defense reported that "plasma-cloud-generation technology for stealth applications" developed in Russia reduces an aircraft's RCS by a factor of 100. According to this June 2002 article, the Russian plasma stealth device has been tested aboard a Sukhoi Su-27IB fighter-bomber. The Journal also reported that similar research into applications of plasma for RCS reduction is being carried out by Accurate Automation Corporation (Chattanooga, Tennessee) and Old Dominion University (Norfolk, Virginia) in the U.S.; and by Dassault Aviation (Saint-Cloud, France) and Thales (Paris, France). ["Russia Working on Stealth Plasma", by Michal Fiszer and Jerzy Gruszczynski, Journal of Electronic Defense, June 2002].

Now that's what I call stealth cheers cheers cheers
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Re: Plasma Stealth!!!!

Post  su37rulez on Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:57 pm

Oh! DUDES!
Imagen what will happen if we put plasma stealth on Su-37
It will be the other high-maneuvrable undetectable BEAST
That's RIGHT, HECK YEEES!
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Re: Plasma Stealth!!!!

Post  frankyspeaker on Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:05 am

su37rulez wrote:Oh! DUDES!
Imagen what will happen if we put plasma stealth on Su-37
It will be the other high-maneuvrable undetectable BEAST
That's RIGHT, HECK YEEES!





No need for it because the SU-35BM will be more
manoeuvrable than the SU-37. Wink
And just using Plasma stealth isn't enough against the F-22.
The F-22's RCS is extremely small and a big SU-37 with it's large RCS and using only Plasma stealth would not have a small enough RCS compared
to the F-22 wich means that the F-22 would always
have the first shot. Several shots in fact.
This way it would never come to any dogfight because the SU-37
would be downed from BVR. Even the SU-35BM with some RAS and
full RAM reduced RCS and Plasma stealth would still have a
larger RCS than the F-22.
Sukhoi needs a Stealth fighter to get the RCS smaller and
comparable with the F-22.
But if Sukhoi also uses Plasma stealth it would have an advantage because less RAS is needed for the construction than and that means that the airframe would be less compromised compared to the F-22.

F-22 RCS is 0,0002--0,0005 m2 Mad
SU-35BM RCS is 1--3 m2 without Plasma stealth. Crying or Very sad
SU-35BM RCS is 0,01--0,03 m2 with Plasma stealth. Sad
The Sukhoi Pak-Fa must have a RCS not bigger than 0,03 m2 without
the use of Plasma stealth. With Plasma stealth it would than
be 0,0003 m2 wich is about equal with the F-22. Very Happy
Building the Pak-Fa with a RCS of 0,03 m2 means that it
would be less compromised wich brings other advantages. Very Happy
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Re: Plasma Stealth!!!!

Post  SDBolts on Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:56 pm

That RCS of the Raptor seems to be VERY VERY THEORETICAL! How come when Sukhoi head designer challenged us to a dogfight against the Su-37 and we denied?!?!
Plasma stealth reduces RCS by a factor of 100! And it's not divided by 100, I believe it is some exponential value or something, I don't really know what they mean by "factor" but whatever :/
Plasma stealth >>>>>>>> Anything RAM/RAS could possibly ever do.
And note that Su-35BM will have RAM!!!
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Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:07 am

SDBolts wrote:That RCS of the Raptor seems to be VERY VERY THEORETICAL! How come when Sukhoi head designer challenged us to a dogfight against the Su-37 and we denied?!?!
Plasma stealth reduces RCS by a factor of 100! And it's not divided by 100, I believe it is some exponential value or something, I don't really know what they mean by "factor" but whatever :/
Plasma stealth >>>>>>>> Anything RAM/RAS could possibly ever do.
And note that Su-35BM will have RAM!!!


Plasma stealth can't reach the levels of RAM and RAS. Sad
Plasma stealth reduces 100 times the RCS you have.
If you read my posts you see that i said that
the SU-35BM uses RAM and some RAS.Very Happy
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Re: Plasma Stealth!!!!

Post  SDBolts on Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:11 am

Sigh... okay then Sad(
But is Su-35 1-3m2, or is that Su-35BM?!?!
The two planes are very different actually. Not only completely new systems, but also structural changes!! I bet the Su-35BM will be better than F-22 anyday anytime! I love the Su-35 Very Happy
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Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:58 am

SDBolts wrote:Sigh... okay then Sad(
But is Su-35 1-3m2, or is that Su-35BM?!?!
The two planes are very different actually. Not only completely new systems, but also structural changes!! I bet the Su-35BM will be better than F-22 anyday anytime! I love the Su-35 Very Happy


The SU-35BM is 1-3 m2 Exclamation
The SU-35BM is also my favourite aircraft Exclamation
I love it. I love you It's more beautiful without canards.Laughing
It has no canards,larger intakes,smaller tail fins,larger high-lift surfaces,bigger flaperons and a smaller tail cone.
The structural differences between the SU-35 and SU-35BM are
because of the reduction in RCS(some RAS)(composites)
wich saves about 20% weight Exclamation
There for a better PTWR Exclamation
It will be the ultimate dogfighter Exclamation cheers
But air battles are not close in anymore. It's all about BVR Exclamation
It's also the best non true stealth aircraft ever.
I'm very curious about it's radar,ECM and EW performance Exclamation

And if the F-22 comes too close "The Beast" would eat the F-22 Exclamation
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Re: Plasma Stealth!!!!

Post  SDBolts on Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:09 am

The Irbis radar of the BM is much more powerful than what the F-22 has! The radar will see F-22 long before F-22 even has the missile range to hit it, assuming Raptor had even seen it xD
And Russians have Mach 6 long-range missiles with like 300 or 400 km range Very Happy GG!!
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Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:25 am

SDBolts said:

"How come when Sukhoi head designer challenged us to a dogfight against the Su-37 and we denied?!?!"

I know that Evgeny Frolov challenged all others to dogfight at Farnborough 1996. But no F-22 there Exclamation
And Farnborough does not approve such a thing.
I was there when Frolov said it.
He's a very nice person like many Russian pilots.
They are not cocky like many U.S pilots are.
Simonov has said this many times to fight against F-16 and F-15.


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Post  SDBolts on Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:27 am

No, it was some Mikhail guy, I forget his last name though, and I believe it was much later than 1996 lol Very Happy
Anyways, F-22 is only good in theory!
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Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:32 am

SDBolts wrote:The Irbis radar of the BM is much more powerful than what the F-22 has! The radar will see F-22 long before F-22 even has the missile range to hit it, assuming Raptor had even seen it xD
And Russians have Mach 6 long-range missiles with like 300 or 400 km range Very Happy GG!!


Irbis is more powerful Exclamation
But it's power can not overcome the huge difference
in RCS compared to the F-22 Exclamation
And the KS-172 and R-37 have way more range but a target lock is only possible at about 20 to 30 km and that's too late because the F-22 can get target lock at 120 to 140 KM.
That's why i say that Russia needs a true stealth fighter Exclamation
They already lead in long range missiles.
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Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:40 am

SDBolts wrote:No, it was some Mikhail guy, I forget his last name though, and I believe it was much later than 1996 lol Very Happy
Anyways, F-22 is only good in theory!


Mikhail Simonov Exclamation lol!

And the F-22 is good, trust me on this.
It had and will have some problems but that's normal because
of these new technologies used in the F-22.
Think logical about it and ask your self this:
Why did it take so much time to put it in service Question
They could have done this earlier Exclamation
But they didn't. They had to iron out the problems first.
I think that it even exceeds their own expectations.Mad GRRRRExclamation
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Post  SDBolts on Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:43 am

This supposed stealth of the CrapitouryouassTor seems to be highly theoretical!
http://pogo.org/p/defense/do-000812-f22.htm
pwnt...
Zeptocomp is nice enough to make a video ;D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vIvgBbXKL5E
pwnt...
Another topic on this site pwns the F-35's stealth (like the F-22).
pwnt...
gao.gov documents prove Raptor wrong...
pwnt...
here's one site...
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05304.pdf
pwnt...

EDIT: Just so your reply Very Happy
Yes it was Simonov, thanks Very Happy
F-22 is still full of bugs to this day, why there is still major reformation going on and why the Crapoutmyass costs 367 million dollars each!
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Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:05 am

SDBolts wrote:This supposed stealth of the CrapitouryouassTor seems to be highly theoretical!
http://pogo.org/p/defense/do-000812-f22.htm
pwnt...
Zeptocomp is nice enough to make a video ;D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vIvgBbXKL5E
pwnt...
Another topic on this site pwns the F-35's stealth (like the F-22).
pwnt...
gao.gov documents prove Raptor wrong...
pwnt...
here's one site...
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05304.pdf
pwnt...

EDIT: Just so your reply Very Happy
Yes it was Simonov, thanks Very Happy
F-22 is still full of bugs to this day, why there is still major reformation going on and why the Crapoutmyass costs 367 million dollars each!


I know about these reports. Very Happy
Building a ground braking aircraft is extremely difficult.
It just takes more time. The fact that it's in service means that these problems are solved or being solved. It's only a matter of time and
money of course. That's why less will be build.
When these problems all subside they will have a great aircraft.
Ugly but very capable. Do not believe all these negative reports.
Many are influenced by the extremely high costs.
Doesn't this always happen in the U.S Question
I don't like the F-22 one bit but i do think it will be great in it's job.
And i'm objective about things whether i like it or not Exclamation
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Post  SDBolts on Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:13 am

Yeah, I guess you're right. Maybe the F-22 will live up to its theoretical abilities by the 2020's....
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Post  frankyspeaker on Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:21 am

SDBolts wrote:Yeah, I guess you're right. Maybe the F-22 will live up to its theoretical abilities by the 2020's....


lol! lol! lol!

If the performance skips a generation they have done a good job.
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Post  SDBolts on Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:30 am

ROFL! The finished F-22, living up to the theoretical abilities that are supposedly the existing ones (completely false), it will still simply be a 5th generation plane Very Happy
Thanks to Zeptocomp, F-22 got owned. The topic about F-35 owned that. So now we're left with F-15C Very Happy
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Post  su37rulez on Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:57 pm

SDBolts wrote:ROFL! The finished F-22, living up to the theoretical abilities that are supposedly the existing ones (completely false), it will still simply be a 5th generation plane Very Happy
Thanks to Zeptocomp, F-22 got owned. The topic about F-35 owned that. So now we're left with F-15C Very Happy
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Post  Tadlos on Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:27 pm

Put plasma stealth on a balistic missile Very Happy
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