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Post  Uberwarz on Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:42 am

Yugoslavia (Jugoslavija in the Latin alphabet, Југославија in Cyrillic; English: South Slavia, or literary The Land of South Slavs) describes three political entities that existed one at a time on the Balkan Peninsula in Europe, during most of the 20th century. The six countries that were once part of Yugoslavia are Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia.
The Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1 December 1918April 17, 1941), also known as the First Yugoslavia, was a monarchy formed as the "Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes" after World War I and re-named on 6 January 1929 by Alexander I of Yugoslavia. It was invaded on 6 April 1941 by the Axis powers and capitulated eleven days later.
The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (29 November 194325 June 1991), a socialist
successor state to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, existed under various
names, including the "Democratic Federation of Yugoslavia (DFY)"
(1943), the "Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia (FPRY)" (1946),
and the "Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRY)" (1963). Starting in 1991, the FPRY disintegrated in the Yugoslav Wars which followed the secession of most of the republic's constituent elements.
The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) (April 27, 1992February 4, 2003), was a federation on the territory of the two remaining republics of Serbia (including the autonomous provinces of Vojvodina and Kosovo and Metohija) and Montenegro.
The Union of Serbia and Montenegro was formed on February 4, 2003 and officially abolished the name "Yugoslavia." On June 3 and June 5,
2006, Montenegro and Serbia respectively declared their independence,
thereby ending the last remnants of the former Yugoslav federation.








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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  77RUS on Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:59 pm

what to say?! Serbs are just our brothers, i personaly feel so much love and sympaphy to srpski narod and wish them to overcome a large number of difficulties they have

Kosovo je Srbija. Always was, is and will be!
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  su37rulez on Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:13 pm

77RUS wrote:what to say?! Serbs are just our brothers, i personaly feel so much love and sympaphy to srpski narod and wish them to overcome a large number of difficulties they have

Kosovo je Srbija. Always was, is and will be!
Agree.
Did you say that to Boxer?
If you din't, you should...
He'll be really happy after this.. Laughing
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  Serb on Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:24 pm

Why dont you say what did you did to us? Serbs were on good side and lost 5 milons Serbs fighting on good side, Serbs saved 600 pilots in WWII, how did USA thank Serbs? By attacking and killing thousands of Yugoslavia(Serbia) civilians.

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Post  77RUS on Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:25 am

Serb wrote:Why dont you say what did you did to us? Serbs were on good side and lost 5 milons Serbs fighting on good side, Serbs saved 600 pilots in WWII, how did USA thank Serbs? By attacking and killing thousands of Yugoslavia(Serbia) civilians.

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You know, bro, it's always happen. Everyone remember bad things, but doesn't remember good things.
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  Serb on Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:36 am

Well you are supposed to say we should be happy after that? Tell me what good things?
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  Uberwarz on Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:29 pm

Hmm what can i say im against the stupid new order thing and i know why we destroyed Yugoslavia.... because it was the last strong allie of Russia in Europe. so it was a problem for some ones plan.
i dont know who does usa supports but i hope its not albania couz i know they are filthy ppl.
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  SDBolts on Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:53 pm

It was pretty comical how bad the NATO air assaults failed in the Serbian War. Wait, was Kosovo ever liberated?!? NO!!! That mean NATO lost! GGNORE!
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  77RUS on Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:02 am

Serb wrote:Well you are supposed to say we should be happy after that? Tell me what good things?

i mean they don't remember what Serbs did at WW2
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  Serb on Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:16 am

Southern Serbia will be liberated when there are 0 albanians in it. Why? In 2004. Albanians killed thousands of Serbs, destroyed 300 monasteries and churches, big number of cemeteries, slaughtered and burned Serb babies, monks, priests etc. in just TWO DAYS (17. and 18. march 2004.). Imagine what did they do for all this years...

I cant believe that anyone on the world could be such an ashole and idiot to say Kosovo independence yes.
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  Uberwarz on Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:53 pm

Yes our stupid USA politics support it i dont support it couz im kinda Orthodox.....
So.... France/Uk/USA/ supports the independence of Kosovo.silent
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  SDBolts on Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:19 pm

Wait everyone, look how stupid NATO is!
NATO's whole mission was to liberate Kosovo.
Serbs destroy NATO forces, especially the 1000+ planes, and NATO surrenders. War ends, Kosovo is still under Serb control.
NATO declares victory.
Anyone see a problem?
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  su37rulez on Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:54 pm

SDBolts wrote:Wait everyone, look how stupid NATO is!
NATO's whole mission was to liberate Kosovo.
Serbs destroy NATO forces, especially the 1000+ planes, and NATO surrenders. War ends, Kosovo is still under Serb control.
NATO declares victory.
Anyone see a problem?
Oooooooooooh, NATO is PWNZORED/pwned
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  SDBolts on Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:02 pm

That's the only conclusion I can think of. NATO wanted to free Kosovo and failed, doesn't that mean Serbia won?
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Post  su37rulez on Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:12 pm

SDBolts wrote:That's the only conclusion I can think of. NATO wanted to free Kosovo and failed, doesn't that mean Serbia won?
Haha ofcourse it does, read your previous comment on here..
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  su37rulez on Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:14 pm

SDBolts wrote:
NATO declares victory.
Anyone see a problem?
Ofcourse I see it, fucking propaganda!
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  OptimusGonzo on Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:24 pm

ok, Remove my ignorance, How did we lose again? Explain in depth, I must know!
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  backtothegrave on Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:01 am

OptimusGonzo wrote:ok, Remove my ignorance, How did we lose again? Explain in depth, I must know!

NATO loose in several ways:
1) kosovo is till serbia
2) serbs and albanians kept on fighting each other
3) kosovo became the waipoint of drug commerce towards europe, just beacuse now neither NATO or serbia can do deep scale operations down there in kosovo, and so there are "free zones" for drug dealers, mafias and weapon commerce
4) and of course, NATO had heavy losses of airplanes. very heavy losses

Serbia loose:
it was bombed and many factories bridges and civilian infrastructures were destroyed

Albanians loose:
they didn't have kosovo

Another war in wich noone won...
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Post  backtothegrave on Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:21 am

Serbia was a tougher enemy than iraq.
1) they had good air defenses (some provided by russia few months before the war) - iraq had not
2) serbia (expecially kosovo) is full of mountains and forests, it's difficult to find and attack something there - iraq is plains and deserts for most part
3) under tito's rule, Jugoslavia faced the menace of a possible soviet invasion: bunkers for airplanes and ammos were built deep underground, and some area were fortified - bunkers in iraq were rarely deep underground, and border fortifications were made of sand (LOL!!!)
4) serbs used a tactic (wich wasn't possible in iraq, as you'll see): they sent light attack, subsonic planes (almost sure they were G-4 Super Galeb) to attack NATO airfields in albania. they flew really low along valleys between the mountains, and came undetected over their targets. many apache elicopters were destroyed, and some other planes as a-10 and c-130 (there were photos on the net, if you find them tell me!). Thus they forbid nato's ground support missions.
These attacks were so successull that nato asked italy to use their AMX (the nato aircraft most similar to g-4) to do similar mission from italian airbases. in the mean time high altitude missions were suspended due to heavy opposition.
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  backtothegrave on Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:29 am

have a look here
http://www.nato.int/kfor/docu/about/background.html

nato official position about the story

<
the OSCE Kosovo Verification Mission was withdrawn from the region,
having faced obstruction from Serbian forces to the extent that
they could no longer continue to fulfill their task. US Ambassador
Holbrooke then flew to Belgrade, in a final attempt to persuade
President Milosevic to stop attacks on the Kosovar Albanians or
face imminent NATO air strikes.

Milosevic refused
to comply, and on 23 March the order was given to commence air strikes
(Operation Allied Force).
On 10 June
1999, after an air campaign lasting seventy-seven days, NATO Secretary
General Javier Solana announced that he had instructed General Wesley
Clark, Supreme Allied Commander Europe, temporarily to suspend NATO's
air operations against Yugoslavia. This decision was taken after
consultations with the North Atlantic Council and confirmation from
General Clark that the full withdrawal of Yugoslav forces from Kosovo
had begun.>>

It sais almost nothing.... what about the air strikes? did they succede? did they fail? nato tells nothing here.... Question Question Question
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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  ComradeLynx on Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:23 pm

Dont forget F-117 shot down by a 60's S-125! xDD

And several more F-117's were seen by radar, but not shot down.

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Re: Yugoslavia

Post  Serb on Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:06 pm

Fact is Serb goal is to stop Kosovo independence at all cost. We payed very big cost (thousands and thousands died). When NATO saw they cant make us give our Holy Kosovo, they asked for 1244, and war ended. Serbs won becuz they achieved their goal: Stop Kosovo independence.
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Post  Serb on Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:09 pm

BTW only F 117 ever shot for dozens of years was shot by Serbs, did you know that Serbs didnt slaughter F 117 and other shot down pilots? They gave them to go back to their country. They were on television american pilots crying like babies. We let them go instead of killing them as americans killed our children and civilians. When they were going they said: "Serbia is not what they told us, God forgive us!".
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:44 pm

and my only point to make at this point is, how much of this do you see taught in western schools today? ugh
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Post  SDBolts on Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:42 pm

backtothegrave wrote:Serbia was a tougher enemy than iraq.
1) they had good air defenses (some provided by russia few months before the war) - iraq had not
2) serbia (expecially kosovo) is full of mountains and forests, it's difficult to find and attack something there - iraq is plains and deserts for most part
3) under tito's rule, Jugoslavia faced the menace of a possible soviet invasion: bunkers for airplanes and ammos were built deep underground, and some area were fortified - bunkers in iraq were rarely deep underground, and border fortifications were made of sand (LOL!!!)
4) serbs used a tactic (wich wasn't possible in iraq, as you'll see): they sent light attack, subsonic planes (almost sure they were G-4 Super Galeb) to attack NATO airfields in albania. they flew really low along valleys between the mountains, and came undetected over their targets. many apache elicopters were destroyed, and some other planes as a-10 and c-130 (there were photos on the net, if you find them tell me!). Thus they forbid nato's ground support missions.
These attacks were so successull that nato asked italy to use their AMX (the nato aircraft most similar to g-4) to do similar mission from italian airbases. in the mean time high altitude missions were suspended due to heavy opposition.
How little you know about Iraq wars.... the military was fighting Hussein! Only a few loyalists actually fought us! Kuwait was empty when we came in '91, and in '03, Hussein was already in hiding thanks to Iraqi military when we came!

If Iraqi military didn't confiscate all weapons from Hussein, the whole Coalition fleet woudl have been destroyed simply by missiles, and any idiots who made it anywhere near Iraq would have been gassed! They wouldn't even have to fight! And they could have shot every plane out of the sky easily, not that there were that many that came anyways. After bombing campaign, Iraqi military was barely affected! In fact, Kuwaiti nation/people was hurt much more than Iraqi military!!
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