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Post  Uberwarz on Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:42 am

Thanx for the Respect!
My Cold War favourite passenger plane is Tu-104

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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  su37rulez on Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:00 pm

Oh! DUDES!
Imagen what will happen if we put plasma stealth on Su-37
It will the other high-maneuvrable undetectable BEAST

The Craptor will be CRAP after that.
No offence, if you're american
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  frankyspeaker on Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:19 pm

su37rulez wrote:Oh! DUDES!
Imagen what will happen if we put plasma stealth on Su-37
It will the other high-maneuvrable undetectable BEAST

The Craptor will be CRAP after that.
No offence, if you're american



No need for it because the SU-35BM will be more
manoeuvrable than the SU-37. Wink
And just using Plasma stealth isn't enough against the F-22.
The F-22's RCS is extremely small and a big SU-37 with it's large RCS and using only Plasma stealth would not have a small enough RCS compared
to the F-22 wich means that the F-22 would always
have the first shot. Several shots in fact.
This way it would never come to any dogfight because the SU-37
would be downed from BVR. Even the SU-35BM with some RAS and
full RAM reduced RCS and Plasma stealth would still have a
larger RCS than the F-22.
Sukhoi needs a Stealth fighter to get the RCS smaller and
comparable with the F-22.
But if Sukhoi also uses Plasma stealth it would have an advantage because less RAS is needed for the construction than and that means that the airframe would be less compromised compared to the F-22.

F-22 RCS is 0,0002--0,0005 m2 Mad
SU-35BM RCS is 1--3 m2 without Plasma stealth. Crying or Very sad
SU-35BM RCS is 0,01--0,03 m2 with Plasma stealth. Sad
The Sukhoi Pak-Fa must have a RCS not bigger than 0,03 m2 without
the use of Plasma stealth. With Plasma stealth it would than
be 0,0003 m2 wich is about equal with the F-22. Very Happy
Building the Pak-Fa with a RCS of 0,03 m2 means that it
would be less compromised wich brings other advantages. Very Happy
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Stop Bullsheting Us

Post  sadom666 on Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:57 am

frankyspeaker wrote:
su37rulez wrote:Oh! DUDES!
Imagen what will happen if we put plasma stealth on Su-37
It will the other high-maneuvrable undetectable BEAST

The Craptor will be CRAP after that.
No offence, if you're american



No need for it because the SU-35BM will be more
manoeuvrable than the SU-37. Wink
And just using Plasma stealth isn't enough against the F-22.
The F-22's RCS is extremely small and a big SU-37 with it's large RCS and using only Plasma stealth would not have a small enough RCS compared
to the F-22 wich means that the F-22 would always
have the first shot. Several shots in fact.
This way it would never come to any dogfight because the SU-37
would be downed from BVR. Even the SU-35BM with some RAS and
full RAM reduced RCS and Plasma stealth would still have a
larger RCS than the F-22.
Sukhoi needs a Stealth fighter to get the RCS smaller and
comparable with the F-22.
But if Sukhoi also uses Plasma stealth it would have an advantage because less RAS is needed for the construction than and that means that the airframe would be less compromised compared to the F-22.

F-22 RCS is 0,0002--0,0005 m2 Mad
SU-35BM RCS is 1--3 m2 without Plasma stealth. Crying or Very sad
SU-35BM RCS is 0,01--0,03 m2 with Plasma stealth. Sad
The Sukhoi Pak-Fa must have a RCS not bigger than 0,03 m2 without
the use of Plasma stealth. With Plasma stealth it would than
be 0,0003 m2 wich is about equal with the F-22. Very Happy
Building the Pak-Fa with a RCS of 0,03 m2 means that it
would be less compromised wich brings other advantages. Very Happy

Give me the sources for the RCS specifications or just SHUT UP.Cool

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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  77RUS on Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:52 am

sadom666 wrote:
Give me the sources for the RCS specifications or just SHUT UP.Cool

i dont belive in plasma stealth too
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u will just wait

Post  sadom666 on Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:53 am

77RUS wrote:
sadom666 wrote:
Give me the sources for the RCS specifications or just SHUT UP.Cool

i dont belive in plasma stealth too

u wait and u'll see

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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  ComradeLynx on Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:14 am

77RUS, nu ti 4o...? bounce bounce bounce
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  77RUS on Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:04 pm

ComradeLynx wrote:77RUS, nu ti 4o...? bounce bounce bounce

Smile who did ever see it? in theory i can imagine such plasma generator, but in real life it's impossible. noone has such technoligical level now, to built plasma aircraft
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  su37rulez on Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:18 pm

frankyspeaker wrote: Even the SU-35BM with some RAS and
full RAM
RAM and RAS are the same thing - Radio-Absorbent Material, Radio-Absorbent Coating (I believe).
Craptor sucks.
Cool
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Re: Stop Bullsheting Us

Post  frankyspeaker on Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:51 pm

sadom666 wrote:
frankyspeaker wrote:
su37rulez wrote:Oh! DUDES!
Imagen what will happen if we put plasma stealth on Su-37
It will the other high-maneuvrable undetectable BEAST

The Craptor will be CRAP after that.
No offence, if you're american



No need for it because the SU-35BM will be more
manoeuvrable than the SU-37. Wink
And just using Plasma stealth isn't enough against the F-22.
The F-22's RCS is extremely small and a big SU-37 with it's large RCS and using only Plasma stealth would not have a small enough RCS compared
to the F-22 wich means that the F-22 would always
have the first shot. Several shots in fact.
This way it would never come to any dogfight because the SU-37
would be downed from BVR. Even the SU-35BM with some RAS and
full RAM reduced RCS and Plasma stealth would still have a
larger RCS than the F-22.
Sukhoi needs a Stealth fighter to get the RCS smaller and
comparable with the F-22.
But if Sukhoi also uses Plasma stealth it would have an advantage because less RAS is needed for the construction than and that means that the airframe would be less compromised compared to the F-22.

F-22 RCS is 0,0002--0,0005 m2 Mad
SU-35BM RCS is 1--3 m2 without Plasma stealth. Crying or Very sad
SU-35BM RCS is 0,01--0,03 m2 with Plasma stealth. Sad
The Sukhoi Pak-Fa must have a RCS not bigger than 0,03 m2 without
the use of Plasma stealth. With Plasma stealth it would than
be 0,0003 m2 wich is about equal with the F-22. Very Happy
Building the Pak-Fa with a RCS of 0,03 m2 means that it
would be less compromised wich brings other advantages. Very Happy

Give me the sources for the RCS specifications or just SHUT UP.Cool


Why do you react like this Question Question Question Pride Question Or hate for the F-22 Question
I love Sukhoi's and i don't love the F-22 but i'm
still objective and realistic about things Exclamation
Sukhoi's touch my heart and i feel nothing for the F-22 but still it's performance speaks for it self and i will always be objective about
things whether i like the aircraft or not Exclamation
So why should i SHUT UP Question
Because i state facts Question
Think about it Wink
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  su37rulez on Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:58 pm

frankyspeaker wrote:


Why do you react like this Question Question Question Pride Question Or hate for the F-22 Question
I love Sukhoi's and i don't love the F-22 but i'm
still objective and realistic about things Exclamation
Sukhoi's touch my heart and i feel nothing for the F-22 but still it's performance speaks for it self and i will always be objective about
things whether i like the aircraft or not Exclamation
So why should i SHUT UP Question
Because i state facts Question
Think about it Wink
But for real...
Maybe you're just like Americans more.
So, WE NEED THE EVIDENCE11
Where do you get your facts?
From some american propaganda encyclopedia?
[no offence]
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  frankyspeaker on Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:48 pm

su37rulez wrote:
frankyspeaker wrote: Even the SU-35BM with some RAS and
full RAM
RAM and RAS are the same thing - Radio-Absorbent Material, Radio-Absorbent Coating (I believe).
Craptor sucks.
Cool



No, they are not the same.
RAM is material/coating(outside)and RAS is structural.(inside)
That's why i say that using traditional stealth (RAS and RAM)
combined with Plasma stealth means that the aircrafts structure isn't compromised as much as it will be with using only RAS and RAM.

This is when both options have the same RCS Exclamation

Example:

1.You build a aircraft with a RCS of 0,03 m2 using RAS and RAM.
With adding Plasma stealth the RCS will be 0,0003 m2.
This means that less structural compromises are used because
the airframe is build for achieving a RCS of 0,03 m2.

2.You build a aircraft with a RCS of 0,0003 m2 using RAS and RAM ONLY.
This means that more structural compromises are used because the airframe is build for achieving a RCS of 0,0003 m2.

Both methodes are a way of achieving a 0,0003 m2 RCS.
But example 1 guaranties a stronger airframe. (less compromised)
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  frankyspeaker on Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:13 pm

su37rulez wrote:
frankyspeaker wrote:


Why do you react like this Question Question Question Pride Question Or hate for the F-22 Question
I love Sukhoi's and i don't love the F-22 but i'm
still objective and realistic about things Exclamation
Sukhoi's touch my heart and i feel nothing for the F-22 but still it's performance speaks for it self and i will always be objective about
things whether i like the aircraft or not Exclamation
So why should i SHUT UP Question
Because i state facts Question
Think about it Wink


But for real...
Maybe you're just like Americans more.
So, WE NEED THE EVIDENCE11
Where do you get your facts?
From some american propaganda encyclopedia?
[no offence]


Why are you saying this Question
You know very well that i love Russian equipment Exclamation
I think that you are not objective here because your pride stands in the way because you hate the F-22.
Trust me, i'm not a fan of the F-22 but we must be objective.
And my sources are the most reliable around.

"But for real..."
What i'm saying is real Exclamation

"
Maybe you're just like Americans more."
And what is this Question Question Question Question
Ever since my 10th year i love Russian aircraft Exclamation
This line i do take as a offence Exclamation Not nice Exclamation
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  su37rulez on Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:31 pm

no...


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Re: Your favourite Aircraft?

Post  frankyspeaker on Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:28 pm

su37rulez said:

"You kno, why we all hate Craptor?
Because Americans say it's unbeatable...
It's not true!"


And because many Americans say it's unbeatable you insult me
and question my credibility Question
What do i have with these many Americans Question
I argue with many Americans every day on you tube Exclamation
All i do is stating facts Exclamation

In a Beyond Visual Range engagement the F-22 is unbeatable at this moment
because it can see and target the SU-35BM before the
SU-35BM can see and target the F-22.
The diffence in RCS is too big Exclamation

Why do you think Russia is building a stealth fighter Question Question Question
Just for the fun of it Question
Or maybe to counter the F-35 and F-22 Question

The F-22 is a 5th generation stealth fighter.
It's only normal that a 5th generation stealth fighter has a advantage over a
4 or 4+ or 4++generation non true stealth fighter
in a Beyond Visual Range engagement.
That's a logical fact Exclamation I'm not happy about it but it is.Sad
The only change the SU-35BM has at this moment is in
a close in dogfightExclamation Very Happy

F-22 can detect SU-35BM at 200 KM.
SU-35BM can detect F-22 at 34 KM.
F-22
can target SU-35BM at 120 KM.
SU-35BM
can target F-22 at 20 KM.

This comparison is without the use of ECM or EW Exclamation
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  77RUS on Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:25 am

Sad flamebattles again
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  su37rulez on Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:14 pm

frankyspeaker wrote:

Why do you think Russia is building a stealth fighter Question Question Question
Just for the fun of it Question
Or maybe to counter the F-35 and F-22 Question

Maybe to gain the advantage of America and other countries for a whole century, hahaha..
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  SDBolts on Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:25 am

On topic!
Favorite fighters:
MiG-35
Su-35BM
MIG-31
F-15C
Su-34
Rafale (at least the French are smart enough to know how to make their own planes unlike relying on Germany like the rest of the EU is!!!)

Most hated fighters:
B-2 Shitit (with stealth being picked up on 60s soviet radars like an ordinary plane xD (see Serbian War))
F-22 cRAPyourassoffTOR (with only a THEORETICAL RCS, which has been disproven by Colonel Riccioni and lockheed martin reports, among others)
F-18 Whorenet (let's catch whores!, yeah naval plane basically.. much worse than Su-33 on Admiral Kutzenov carrier!)
EF Typhoon (I'd like it less if the Germans didn't use it, so lol)
F-16 Hiding Falcon (F-15C is much better, hence F-16 is waste of time and money)
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  ComradeLynx on Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:10 am

Dude, "Hiding Falcon" THIS IS GREAT! Shouldnt we make a thread with all these real nicknames...? Wink

B-1 >Cancer! (someone said that)
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  su37rulez on Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:12 am

ComradeLynx wrote:Dude, "Hiding Falcon" THIS IS GREAT! Shouldnt we make a thread with all these real nicknames...? Wink

B-1 >Cancer! (someone said that)
Yeah, let's do it!
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Re: Your favourite aircraft?

Post  Tadlos on Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:56 pm

mine> ?

1. MiG-21
2. Yak-3
3. P-51 Mustang
4. T-4 sotka
5. IL-2

Smile maybe SU-35bm is going to be there...when they are going to actually mass produce it Question Exclamation
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