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Post  SDBolts on Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:18 pm

The Mexicans were not even 20 year old country when we invaded! Of course Cali and TX wreen't that developed! But I bet the Mexicans would have later, and would have especially found gold!
And Russians did have some presence in Cali. If they actually cared to keep it, AHHH ID BE LIVING IN RUSSIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post  backtothegrave on Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:22 am

usa could populate california and texas because of the immigrants from europe!
if noone came across the ocean that colonization and the run to the west won't have been possible!!
mexico never had a strong immigrastion from europe, so yes, at the end they would have colonized texas and california, but really later.
in fact, california was already colonized by mexicans, and texas too, but they were too poor and not enough supported by their government to oppose the white colonization.
you should know that texas was populated by mexicans but since the beginning of XIX c. was ruled by rich white colonizers came from europe
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Post  su37rulez on Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:25 pm

whatever, lol
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:49 pm

backtothegrave wrote:usa could populate california and texas because of the immigrants from europe!
if noone came across the ocean that colonization and the run to the west won't have been possible!!
mexico never had a strong immigrastion from europe, so yes, at the end they would have colonized texas and california, but really later.
in fact, california was already colonized by mexicans, and texas too, but they were too poor and not enough supported by their government to oppose the white colonization.
you should know that texas was populated by mexicans but since the beginning of XIX c. was ruled by rich white colonizers came from europe


You hit the nail on the head backtothegrave, and that my friends is why the US army Rocks. actually, I personally believe that the US navy rocks, but thats debatable, just because our AF is less necessary than other nations Air Forces, because our missile program was taken by the Army, our Long range power/overseas projection was taken by the navy, and because we're bordered by two oceans, we'd have at least a few hour's warning time to scramble planes. England made an air force because it was the most important for holding a defense against any organized air threat to England, and while the same holds true for the US, we're not separated by a mere stone's throw of water compared to England. Therefore our Navy is Kick ass, not our army, because our navy is flexible where our airforce can't be, and our Navy deploys and supports our army, which has such technological marvels like the "M-16" and the "M1A1 Abrams tank" and the "Interceptor Body Armor Vest" and the "Humvee" and the "Bradley Fighting Vehicle" and TOWs, and Javelins and AT4s and SRAWs and all sorts of other wonders that can't stand up to any Russian equivalents. Horray for the US army.
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Post  SDBolts on Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:21 pm

We just lost our international sea lane priveleges. And it only takes a few anti-ship missiles to destroy each of our 9 Aircraft Carriers. Once we lose those, ASM's can have all the fun they want with the shitty destroyers and the ~50 cruisers.
It's quite pathetic how vulnerable the navy is. At least the Russians are smart not to invest all their money in a colossal navy that could become instant scrap metal, but at least they have a functional, at least half-decent effective anti-missile naval defense system. And oh, their naval tech is far superior to ours, their autoloaders fire twice as fast as even the Ticonderoga class cruisers. The Tomahawk missiles REALLY suck for a 1.3 million dollar shitcake. etc. etc. Just gimme a T-95 and I'll go take a nap.
Wow, even what we pride as the best part of our military can make me the world's richest person by selling the scrap metal if a real war actually happened.

Thank God Iraqi military took all of Hussein's weapons from him and aided American success both in '91 and '03, because he had a lotta missiles ready to scrap the entire fleet and air force. But that's what that dipshit Hussein gets.
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Post  backtothegrave on Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:55 am

if california was an independent country, now would be one of the top ten countries of the world as for whealth.
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:30 pm

SDBolts wrote:We just lost our international sea lane priveleges. And it only takes a few anti-ship missiles to destroy each of our 9 Aircraft Carriers. Once we lose those, ASM's can have all the fun they want with the shitty destroyers and the ~50 cruisers.
It's quite pathetic how vulnerable the navy is. At least the Russians are smart not to invest all their money in a colossal navy that could become instant scrap metal, but at least they have a functional, at least half-decent effective anti-missile naval defense system. And oh, their naval tech is far superior to ours, their autoloaders fire twice as fast as even the Ticonderoga class cruisers. The Tomahawk missiles REALLY suck for a 1.3 million dollar shitcake. etc. etc. Just gimme a T-95 and I'll go take a nap.
Wow, even what we pride as the best part of our military can make me the world's richest person by selling the scrap metal if a real war actually happened.

Thank God Iraqi military took all of Hussein's weapons from him and aided American success both in '91 and '03, because he had a lotta missiles ready to scrap the entire fleet and air force. But that's what that dipshit Hussein gets.

So uh bolts can you tell me who has the most anti ship missiles in the world? yeah, so if its the US, then we have the largest anti naval potential in the world, and if its not us by anything but a large majority, we still have a ton of ships with excellent volunteer crews that can make up for that fact. We have had for a while a conceptual trident missile designed as one of those Tungsten rod Kinetic energy weapons, which could easily destroy any ship in the world, but we haven't put them into production because they travel so fast it would be impossible to destinguish them from ICBMs, which is what the Trident I and II missiles were. I guess this would have to be Trident III if they ever did put it into production, but it would be more than capable of dealing with any naval threat to the USN. And in the event that our navy does get reduced to scrap metal, our Navy Divers, who are Superhuman in their feats if you've ever seen Men of Honor with Cuba Gooding Jr., can recover our lost naval vessels, as well that, we have hundreds of ships from WWII that we did not destroy in our Nuclear Testing that we mothbolled like our Battleships, which we could easily scrap and in 1-2 years with modern production equipment covert to new ships, and that assuming we couldn't get resources for new vessels any other way.
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Post  backtothegrave on Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:01 am

no matter that us forces can deal with any threat up to now.
but what if they loose all they allies? can they fight versus the world?
remember that all these years of republican foreign policies have brought to this:
1) china and russia from the worst enemies became allies to face together the american menace
2) europe is no more the best ally for usa: people in europe don't like usa at all, they won't permit their governments to act against their will forever --> europe soon will break off with usa
3) nato is no more that perfect machine in the hands of usa. it worked until usa could pay for the votes of his allies, but now it's usa that owes money to europe, not viceversa [nato council decides any actions with a unanimity vote, if a single country, even if luxemburg, doesn't agreed no action is possible]

and moreover, economic situation is getting worse in the usa, they won't be able to spend that much for weapons in the next years

what will happen in the next years? will usa manage to defend itself from the whole world?
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:56 pm

backtothegrave wrote:no matter that us forces can deal with any threat up to now.
but what if they loose all they allies? can they fight versus the world?
remember that all these years of republican foreign policies have brought to this:
1) china and russia from the worst enemies became allies to face together the american menace
2) europe is no more the best ally for usa: people in europe don't like usa at all, they won't permit their governments to act against their will forever --> europe soon will break off with usa
3) nato is no more that perfect machine in the hands of usa. it worked until usa could pay for the votes of his allies, but now it's usa that owes money to europe, not viceversa [nato council decides any actions with a unanimity vote, if a single country, even if luxemburg, doesn't agreed no action is possible]

and moreover, economic situation is getting worse in the usa, they won't be able to spend that much for weapons in the next years

what will happen in the next years? will usa manage to defend itself from the whole world?

DURH thats a silly question, of course not. no one can. Although if Russia and the US decided to take over the world, they probably could just because we got TEH IBCMz0rZ! But the US would not fight the world, we would not have to. Our public Image will improve again, as soon as we can change our government and change our foreign policy that to show that we are not out to make America the World's Police, to use the Movie's Catchphrase. The United States is fully capable of using its lands and resources to develop enviromentally friendly alternatives to oil, and causing our negative impact/actions driven by greed to no longer be necessary. Thats what it really comes down to, as far as showing the world that we are not what they think we are, and in most respects, most Americans don't think that the highly negative image of America trying to be the police of the world (an example of that like the image that showed NATO as the Oppressed side of Europe) and show us as we were before WWII, a nation who cared about the plights of oppressed people, but was only interested in non continental affairs after they effected our economic affairs. Just like we were when the Monroe doctrine was written. Speaking of which, I wonder where that went? did all the post WWII presidents just hang it up in the White house bathroom so that each and every president could use it to wipe his butt? I mean seriously, America's government and other systems were never designed to deal with affairs on a Worldwide scale.
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Post  SDBolts on Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:17 pm

LOL! Well, Monroe doctrine died quite a long time ago ^_^
US is in desperate need of money and resources and has failed to get any oil from Iraq! Very good job Iraqiyeen! When the economy collapses and we have 2nd/3rd world country and there's no hope whatsoever for restoration, but maybe in a century or two Surprised
What an ironic fate for the country. It will collapse upon itself, much like it was with the Romans. The Romans died cuz their economy collapsed. Only thing that was really fueling it was their massive expansion. Obviously we are not expanding, but the economy is about to die, and with that comes chaos and stuff, just like every other nation in history that has had such collapse. If one of the born from my shit Democrats become President, especialy the $1 blowjob bitch Hilary, good-bye Great America Sad(
Sigh, I need a break lol.
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:54 pm

SDBolts wrote:LOL! Well, Monroe doctrine died quite a long time ago ^_^
US is in desperate need of money and resources and has failed to get any oil from Iraq! Very good job Iraqiyeen! When the economy collapses and we have 2nd/3rd world country and there's no hope whatsoever for restoration, but maybe in a century or two Surprised
What an ironic fate for the country. It will collapse upon itself, much like it was with the Romans. The Romans died cuz their economy collapsed. Only thing that was really fueling it was their massive expansion. Obviously we are not expanding, but the economy is about to die, and with that comes chaos and stuff, just like every other nation in history that has had such collapse. If one of the born from my shit Democrats become President, especialy the $1 blowjob bitch Hilary, good-bye Great America Sad(
Sigh, I need a break lol.

See and that's where bolts has no idea about economics. if the US economy fell through completely, which has never don COMPLETELY, although it came very close, the US would inevitably bring other nations down with us. We would not let ourselves be destroyed without using some of our 2600 Surplus nukes. And You think its going to be the end of the US in 5-10 years? LOL! many more think its going to be the end of the world.
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Post  backtothegrave on Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:56 am

OptimusGonzo wrote:
See and that's where bolts has no idea about economics. if the US economy fell through completely, which has never don COMPLETELY, although it came very close, the US would inevitably bring other nations down with us. We would not let ourselves be destroyed without using some of our 2600 Surplus nukes. And You think its going to be the end of the US in 5-10 years? LOL! many more think its going to be the end of the world.

yes... if usa economy fails, the global economy will fail too!!!
and noone, even russia or china wants that.
the only possible outcomes are:
* usa leading economic role passes to another country (i hope europe, but i fear china...) who helps sustaining global growth while usa can not
* usa abandon interest in expanding abroad, and keep caring only of inner problems and development
* usa's economy keep on groving on its faulty basement, causing more concorrence between leading countries. global resources will be rapidly depleted by this race, and at last the whole world will have no more resources
* usa's economy fails, bringing averyone down to an era of economic crisis and unemployment

we all need to help american economy to find a self-sustainable dimension. we all need to save resources, limit polulation growth and reduce pollution (applying tokyo protocol, which usa have not done yet).
a global economy means that we are all linked together, and one's problem is everybody's problem. that's sad but true.
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Post  SDBolts on Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:04 pm

But then there's economic self-sufficiency, which but only few nations have even a little bit of. But just because US economy will go bankrupt, we will still be exporting and importing and have stocks in the global market and all that stuff. How about when USSR collapsed, and even to Russian economic collapse of 1998? Did the whole global economy die?!?
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:04 pm

SDBolts wrote:But then there's economic self-sufficiency, which but only few nations have even a little bit of. But just because US economy will go bankrupt, we will still be exporting and importing and have stocks in the global market and all that stuff. How about when USSR collapsed, and even to Russian economic collapse of 1998? Did the whole global economy die?!?

No, but that was largely because the socialist programs imposed by the government limited the economic impact by the Soviets on other nations in large part. in 17 years, they have more than regained all that was lost and even come ahead, one could say improved more than they did under soviet rule, but then again Stalin took them from using hand tools to tractors, so the Soviets had their important reforms too. If Russia fell today, the whole of Asia would feel it Waaay more than they did in 1990, and the US would too, might I remind you that our 2nd largest oil supplier is Russia after Saudi Arabia (as of 2005 when I last looked it up, might have changed) and that for all the political talk of us invading Iraq to get the oil for ourselves, we have yet to consume anywhere near the amount of oil coming from Russia from Iraq, if any at all. Thats the biggest descrepancy with those that say we did it just for the oil....no....It would seem that there might have been even more at stake than any WMD, and I'm beginning to look at any possible example again to why the war started.
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Post  SDBolts on Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:20 pm

War started to remove faggot Hussein. But he was already removed before Coalition forces even came. Iraqi military already had the bastard in hiding xD
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:39 pm

SDBolts wrote:War started to remove faggot Hussein. But he was already removed before Coalition forces even came. Iraqi military already had the bastard in hiding xD

No bolts, just don't mention it, I'm thinking beyond the obvious, and WMDs are Obvious, and Removing Saddam is Obvious, and saying we wanted oil is obvious even if we dont get any....no, something else happend here.
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Post  backtothegrave on Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:14 am

OptimusGonzo wrote:
SDBolts wrote:War started to remove faggot Hussein. But he was already removed before Coalition forces even came. Iraqi military already had the bastard in hiding xD

No bolts, just don't mention it, I'm thinking beyond the obvious, and WMDs are Obvious, and Removing Saddam is Obvious, and saying we wanted oil is obvious even if we dont get any....no, something else happend here.

your republican government is supported by arms industry.
and how can weapon industry survive if there aren't wars??
usa don't need iraq oil,they've a lot of themselves and anyway can buy it from saudi arabia.
no,the war was started because usa need enemies to justify the biggest army in the world.
how can you justify such a defense budget if you have no enemies???
and then enemies were found... and wars fought. just for keeping weapon industry's profits high.
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Post  Uberwarz on Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:30 am

Hey you know that Afghnanistans economy is based at 98% of narcotics....
i had a pall there and he sayed they burned/bombed/destroyed many of those narco dealer farms.



btw how do we put videos? how do 77Rus put one?
come tell us!
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:15 pm

backtothegrave wrote:
OptimusGonzo wrote:
SDBolts wrote:War started to remove faggot Hussein. But he was already removed before Coalition forces even came. Iraqi military already had the bastard in hiding xD

No bolts, just don't mention it, I'm thinking beyond the obvious, and WMDs are Obvious, and Removing Saddam is Obvious, and saying we wanted oil is obvious even if we dont get any....no, something else happend here.

your republican government is supported by arms industry.
and how can weapon industry survive if there aren't wars??
usa don't need iraq oil,they've a lot of themselves and anyway can buy it from saudi arabia.
no,the war was started because usa need enemies to justify the biggest army in the world.
how can you justify such a defense budget if you have no enemies???
and then enemies were found... and wars fought. just for keeping weapon industry's profits high.

and thats wrong too, because we were already fighting in Afghanistan to do all of the criteria you listed for our survival. also, we can also always justify a defense budget, as can Italy, or any nation, based on the fact that militaries of today innovate, and as such make technology that can be used practically for civilians. Even more justification can lie in the fact that other nations are modernizing their military (Russia, India), and we want to stay ahead, so that justifies our budget too. The war hurt our economy more than it has helped us. And I can definatly say that Saddam might have had little or no play in why we went in.

I have my own reasons for why we went in, but I have different reasons still for justifying it.
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Post  frankyspeaker on Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:46 pm

OptimusGonzo wrote:
backtothegrave wrote:
OptimusGonzo wrote:
SDBolts wrote:War started to remove faggot Hussein. But he was already removed before Coalition forces even came. Iraqi military already had the bastard in hiding xD

No bolts, just don't mention it, I'm thinking beyond the obvious, and WMDs are Obvious, and Removing Saddam is Obvious, and saying we wanted oil is obvious even if we dont get any....no, something else happend here.

your republican government is supported by arms industry.
and how can weapon industry survive if there aren't wars??
usa don't need iraq oil,they've a lot of themselves and anyway can buy it from saudi arabia.
no,the war was started because usa need enemies to justify the biggest army in the world.
how can you justify such a defense budget if you have no enemies???
and then enemies were found... and wars fought. just for keeping weapon industry's profits high.

and thats wrong too, because we were already fighting in Afghanistan to do all of the criteria you listed for our survival. also, we can also always justify a defense budget, as can Italy, or any nation, based on the fact that militaries of today innovate, and as such make technology that can be used practically for civilians. Even more justification can lie in the fact that other nations are modernizing their military (Russia, India), and we want to stay ahead, so that justifies our budget too. The war hurt our economy more than it has helped us. And I can definatly say that Saddam might have had little or no play in why we went in.

I have my own reasons for why we went in, but I have different reasons still for justifying it.

The happy few do make money out of war.
And the U.S tax payer pays the bills.
The happy few are Bush's Corporate friends.Mad
These rich Corporate friends really love it when the U.S is
in a war because it gives them wealth and power at the expense of
the majority of people in the U.S. The economy and it's people pay the bills for
these Corporate scumbags Exclamation
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:55 pm

and those same happy few make a ton of money already off of Afghanistan. Its like arguing symmantics, they're is really no point sometimes, especially when its the same thing or doesn't alter the outcome.
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Post  SDBolts on Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:59 pm

CORRUPTION I SAY CORRUPTION!!! Stupid Bush lol, tsk tsk tsk. Well, debt is about to hit max. limit, economy is on verge of collapse, we will be just like the Romans lol!
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Post  OptimusGonzo on Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:37 pm

SDBolts wrote:CORRUPTION I SAY CORRUPTION!!! Stupid Bush lol, tsk tsk tsk. Well, debt is about to hit max. limit, economy is on verge of collapse, we will be just like the Romans lol!

I got more to say, but I got to go to bed.

uh bolts I hate to rain on your parade, but in the past week stocks have actually been doing better despite the interest rate/ dollar weakness conundrum, and yes, since Sadr called off his milita, Violence in Iraq has been on the downward trend, and Pakistan is even helping us out by targeting the tribal areas in their country. Seems like for the moment things are starting to look up.

ah no matter. End times man, End times.
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Post  SDBolts on Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:50 pm

Yes, thank God that Al-Sadr has some sense! Mahdi is VERY powerful! God be praised! The day will come when Iraq is a strong power again, and especially a huge economy. Back in the 70s, 80s, early 90s, they were up to par with even OUR economy when it was at our height especially in 70s. ALLAHU AKBAR! God bless Iraq and her allies!
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Post  Uberwarz on Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:48 pm

So whats going do Turks invaded Iraq or not?
fuck them!
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